Mike Clellandinterwiew

Audio Conversation with Daryl Anka recorded February 15th, 2012. Now, one of the more contentious issues that gets associated with the UFO abduction phenomena is people who claim to channel. This gets dismissed with outright contempt by many within the research community. I find that really curious because it's an overt pattern. It's something you see over and over again. People who claim the direct contact experience will follow that up by saying since that event, I have begun channeling. And now this is something that comes up over and over again. I have been looking into this. I find for reasons I don't understand that I have been drawn to channeled material. I went through a period in the late 90s. where I read one channeled book after another, after another, after another. I found much of the information in those books really profound, and some of it quite helpful. And I would point to Neil Donald Walsh's first three books as something that I can recommend highly. And ever since then, ever since that immersion into that channeled material, I have been very open and very receptive to people who claim that they have that ability. the ability to channel from the great beyond, wherever that might be, whatever the source might be. Now, Daryl Anka channels an entity that he refers to as Bashar. And I've looked into his work and the content of what Bashar says and imparts, and I find that the information, the content is really remarkable. It is quite good. It is very thought-provoking. And it is an unobstores. a very deep level, very beautiful. Now, in my opinion, there is sort of a hit and miss among the people involved in channeling, in that community of channelers. What I can say is that Daryl Anka is one of the really good ones. The information that comes through him is just great. It's just great. I'll include a few links on the show notes. Now, early on in this little intro for Daryl, I may have insinuated, that he had been at the receiving end of some sort of abduction event. We talk about this a little bit during the interview, and he says, no, that is not what happened to him, though he did see, on two separate occasions, very close up, a triangle-shaped craft, and this would have been in 1973 when he was 22 years old. Those events do play a pivotal role in his, I almost want to say, in his initiation to his present role now, as the voice of Bashar, and we talk about that during this conversation. Now, this stuff that we're going to be digging into certainly has the flavor of kooky, new-age, flighty, woo-woo, and I recognize that completely as I step into this interview.

have been in 1973 when he was 22 years old. Those events do play a pivotal role in his, I almost want to say, in his initiation to his present role now, as the voice of Bashar, and we talk about that during this conversation. Now, this stuff that we're going to be digging into certainly has the flavor of kooky, new-age, flighty, woo-woo, and I recognize that completely as I step into this interview. And one of the things I was absolutely delighted by is Daryl is extremely soft-spoken and very straightforward and doesn't have, oh, how should I say it, any of the trappings that one might find in among the New Age community. And that little subpopulation of seekers is kind of an easy target for parity. That said, you know, he's certainly in his voice and in his demeanor does not come across that way, and I was actually quite relieved by that. Now, all that said, I had a perfectly delightful time talking with him, and I was really impressed with some of the very, very straightforward answers he gave to a lot of the questions. Now, I don't quite know whether his answers are literal truth or metaphoric or what, but the answers all had the ring of truth to them, even if on a grand sort of metaphysical level. Oh, and one more thing before I roll into the conversation, I did something that I very rarely do. I did not edit this conversation. at all. So you will get to hear some of my mumbling and stammering, which oftentimes I'll snip out when I do the editing process. You get to hear it all here. And you will also get to hear Daryl Anka's very strong, clear voice, giving what I considered very, very thoughtful answers to questions that have been on my mind for a long time. And I found his insights really helpful in a lot of ways as I proceed forward. One of the things we do talk about a lot in this is synchronicity, which if anyone who listens to this podcast series knows that I am taking very seriously and am wrestling with as far as what a definition would be for synchronistic events. And this is where I thought he really shined. The interview is about an hour and 25 minutes long, and I thought the content was really remarkable. Please enjoy. Darrell, I just want to say thank you so much for saying yes to this interview. My pleasure, Mike. Thank you for having me. The reason I contacted you and reached out to you was because of my own set of experiences with, I will just say, odd life phenomena. And one of the things I have seen in my research into the UFO phenomena is that people who claim the direct contact experience will often say that they have started to channel.

so much for saying yes to this interview. My pleasure, Mike. Thank you for having me. The reason I contacted you and reached out to you was because of my own set of experiences with, I will just say, odd life phenomena. And one of the things I have seen in my research into the UFO phenomena is that people who claim the direct contact experience will often say that they have started to channel. And that's how I found you, and that's how I reached out to you, is that connection between the channeling and the UFO phenomena. Yeah, I think a lot of people who have had various kinds of sightings or contact with UFOs do find that their consciousness expands, and opens up in a variety of ways after that experience. And channeling is certainly one of the ways that seems to be common in terms of expressing that expansion or that connection that they feel after that experience. I talked to Kim Carlsberg at one point, and she gave what I thought was a good definition or a good way to frame it in my mind is that once you're opened, you're opened up to everything. Yeah, well, channeling, I think, you know, most people have a little bit of a misunderstanding. Channeling is really a very natural state, and everyone can do it. And I think from time to time, everyone does do it. It's really just sort of getting into that focused state where you're doing what you love to do or you're focused on something to the point where, you know, you're not paying attention to the passage of time, you're really flowing energy and information, creativity through you. You know, an actor that becomes the character, a singer that's lost in the song, in a sense, is channeling. But I think that people are starting to discover that when you're in that state, that natural altered state, you can access not only other aspects of your own consciousness that you might not on a day-to-day basis typically access, but that it's also possible to make connections with other levels, other dimensions, other entities, expressing consciousness in a different way as well. if you just train yourself to focus in that direction. Now, your, I guess, the entity, the guide that you work with is named Bashar. Yeah, it's not literally his name. When the telepathic connection first happened, that word was there, and I actually assumed it was his name. But as he's explained over the years in their society, they're telepathic. They don't really need names, but he knew we need. to call him something. And it's actually an Arabic word, which I don't speak Arabic, but I am partly Arabic in my background.

you work with is named Bashar. Yeah, it's not literally his name. When the telepathic connection first happened, that word was there, and I actually assumed it was his name. But as he's explained over the years in their society, they're telepathic. They don't really need names, but he knew we need. to call him something. And it's actually an Arabic word, which I don't speak Arabic, but I am partly Arabic in my background. So I guess the word somehow was chosen by him to be used as a name, but it was actually several years later that somebody came up to me and told me that it was actually an Arabic word. I had no clue. And he said that the word means messenger or bringer of good news. So obviously, even though it's not literally his name, it is representative of what Bashar is doing. And Bashar, as a, as a, I don't want to be careful how to say this, as a character has a very intense personality. Yeah, he's very direct. I mean, he's very humorous and very compassionate, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He's very blunt. He's very direct. He wants people to, to understand things very clearly. He explains. things in a very grounded down-to-earth way, no pun intended. And he wants people to walk away understanding some of these new age and metaphysical concepts in kind of a very grounded, practical method that can be applied in physical reality and from which a result can actually be experienced. Well, I would love to hear your, I know you have had a close UFO encounters, and I would love to hear about those. And I'm just, I'm interesting. to how those integrate with what's happening with you today. Yeah, about 10 years before I began to channel, which is, so that would be about 38 years ago now, I actually had two very, very close broad daylight UFO sightings with witnesses with me both times. The first time, about 150 feet away, and the second time only about 70 feet away. So both of them were quite startling. A real solid, triangular black craft. one blue light on each point and kind of a dull reddish orange light underneath in the center. But since we all saw this thing very solidly for at least a good 30, 40 seconds before it went away at incredible speed, you know, I began doing a lot of research after I saw something like that. Because, you know, I'd always, I'd heard stories of UFOs and, you know, I believed, okay, maybe something like that could be possible, but once you actually physically see something like that, I mean, it just completely changes everything in your world. And so I really wanted to understand what was going on. I started reading books, doing research. And over that 10 years, one book kind of led to another in the same sort of metaphysical category.

I'd always, I'd heard stories of UFOs and, you know, I believed, okay, maybe something like that could be possible, but once you actually physically see something like that, I mean, it just completely changes everything in your world. And so I really wanted to understand what was going on. I started reading books, doing research. And over that 10 years, one book kind of led to another in the same sort of metaphysical category. And I began doing, you know, reading of psychic phenomenon, researching channeling, and especially like the Seth material and so on and so forth. And eventually, I was introduced to a channel who was conducting seminars at the time, 10 years after the sighting. And I went to listen to some of those seminars. And I thought the information was interesting and helpful. But eventually, the entity coming through that channel actually offered to teach channeling through a class. And I thought, okay, well, I didn't necessarily think I was going to become a channel. I just wanted to understand how do you teach something like that? I didn't realize that it could be taught. I thought it just sort of happened to you. So I went into the class to further my research. And it was about a 12-week course and contained all sorts of different guided meditations to put you in touch with whatever you wanted to access more creativity, your own higher self, other aspects of your consciousness. But about halfway through the course, when I was in a meditative state, I received what I had mentioned before, what I experienced to be a telepathic contact. And in that one split second, an actual memory came back of having made an agreement with Bashar to do this before this life. I understand. I understood in that second that the UFO was his and had been shown to me on purpose to get me to start learning the things I needed to learn. And the rest of the message was, okay, now that you remember, you may be agreement, and now that you know it's time to begin and that you're prepared to begin, is it something you still want to do? I had to think about this for a while because I didn't know if I was hallucinating or what was going on in my imagination. Oh, let me just, let me, so in one split second, you had an experience, a memory that has since, I don't want to say, has since changed your life, has dominated the direction of your present life. Yes, absolutely. And when you said you had to think for a while, was that five minutes or a year? No. I mean, I was, this is after the fact.

what was going on in my imagination. Oh, let me just, let me, so in one split second, you had an experience, a memory that has since, I don't want to say, has since changed your life, has dominated the direction of your present life. Yes, absolutely. And when you said you had to think for a while, was that five minutes or a year? No. I mean, I was, this is after the fact. I mean, I knew something was going on, but in that single moment, you know, for the few seconds afterwards, I was wondering if, if this was my imagination or a hallucination or a side effect of the meditation, but within a few seconds, while this was going on in my head, the entity coming through the channel who was teaching the class actually stopped talking and turned to me and actually said, someone is here for you if you're ready to begin. So they picked up on it. And at the same time, someone else in the class was actually drawing an outline of an entity that I was seeing in my head. So I immediately got validated, that something real was happening, but I didn't really know what to make of it or what to do with it. But since I was offered the opportunity to practice this in the class, I decided, all right, well, I understand that channeled information is something that can help people. It can give us a different perspective. So I said, all right, you know, I'll go ahead. I'll see where this leads. And I continue to practice channeling in the class. after the class was over, a woman who was doing one of the first doctoral thesis papers on the connection between channeling and psychology actually asked me to be one of her subjects to study for her paper. And as a result of that, I began doing channelings in her living room to her friends so she could observe me and write her paper and make notes. But that turned into one night a week, then it turned into two nights a week. then it was like, you know, five friends the first time, 10 friends the second week, 20 friends the third week. And just by word of mouth, it started to spread until we had to do it several times a week. And then people were making recordings of this and sending them to their friends in different cities, different countries. And I started getting invited to all these different cities and countries to come and channel. And it just basically spread by word of mouth. And here I am 28 years later still doing this. So I want to turn the clock back. So I just did the math here. Was it 1974 when you had your event? 73. Okay, okay. Because I went into the class in 83, but I didn't start publicly channeling until 84.

started getting invited to all these different cities and countries to come and channel. And it just basically spread by word of mouth. And here I am 28 years later still doing this. So I want to turn the clock back. So I just did the math here. Was it 1974 when you had your event? 73. Okay, okay. Because I went into the class in 83, but I didn't start publicly channeling until 84. Now, how old were you in 1973? Oh, let's see. I think I was about 22 or 23. Okay. And now this is a question I ask everyone, and I've been doing my own UFO research. Do you remember, like, what you were thinking, what preceded actually seeing? that triangular craft? I was driving in a car with, like I said, I had a friend with me and her brother and my brother and sister in the backseat. And we were driving, I don't know, people are familiar with Los Angeles, but we were driving on the San Diego Freeway back down into the San Fernando Valley where I still live. And as you come down this grade, you have a clear shot of the entire. valley below you for a good 30 seconds. And I noticed that there were these two lights, bright lights hovering above this, about a 12-story hotel down at the bottom of the freeway junction. And I thought, okay, there's this small plane that's flying there or a helicopter. Something is hovering over the hotel. But as I kept driving, because my eyes were, you know, facing forward, I was getting a good, solid look at this thing. And eventually I realized, you know, this thing is not moving. I don't know what this is. But I started to. calling everyone else's attention to it. And as we got closer, we could clearly see that this was some sort of absolutely motionless triangular ship hovering above and out in front of this hotel. And as we passed it, it moved from one side of the freeway to the other because we were connecting to another freeway. It was an interchange. And so it was on my left side when I first saw it. And as I came around the interchange, it moved to be on my left side. Again, so I always had the ability to look out my driver's side window to see this thing. And it just took off straight over the valley, just in a straight line like it was moving on glass. It was just the most bizarre kind of motion without a sound whatsoever. And so we all started, you know, be very excited. We were talking about this and wondering, you know, what was going on, having seen something like that. Literally within the next week, I was driving in West Los Angeles with the same friend. who was sitting in the passenger seat.

just in a straight line like it was moving on glass. It was just the most bizarre kind of motion without a sound whatsoever. And so we all started, you know, be very excited. We were talking about this and wondering, you know, what was going on, having seen something like that. Literally within the next week, I was driving in West Los Angeles with the same friend. who was sitting in the passenger seat. And we saw this thing again crossing over a major intersection. And I just hung a hard right and started following this thing into a residential neighborhood. And there's a lot of trees there, so I couldn't see it very clearly. So my friend was hanging out the window riding shotgun and telling me, it's, you know, it's zigzagging left, turn left, it's going right, turn right. So I just kind of zigzagged through the neighborhood until we kind of lost it not being able to see it above the trees. And just on a hunch, I just made a hard right down this one street. And she just said, stop. And we stopped. We looked out the window. This thing was hovering about 70 feet above us. And within, like, a second, it just took off like a shot straight up. And we got out of the car. We looked around. There was absolutely no one else in the neighborhood outside. And so we just kind of like looked at each other and go, what is going on? Because this was like twice in the span of a week that we saw, at least, what appeared to be a similar craft, if not exactly the same craft. So that's kind of how it happened for us. And we didn't really know what to think at that point. This is fascinating. This is fascinating. So now, did you feel at the time like a direct connection with this? No, I just felt sort of stunned and sort of a little bit, it was very surreal. Because even in the first instance, when we were driving on the the freeway. When I was looking at this thing, I actually took a moment to look around at other cars, other drivers, and see if anyone else was looking up. And no one else, any other car seemed to be paying attention to this thing whatsoever. So that was kind of a very sort of bizarre thing to all of us. And again, in the second encounter, when we stopped the car, there was absolutely no one around, which is also very unusual. So it had this sort of very surreal sense of being in another reality, kind of in an isolated sort of reality when this was going on.

other car seemed to be paying attention to this thing whatsoever. So that was kind of a very sort of bizarre thing to all of us. And again, in the second encounter, when we stopped the car, there was absolutely no one around, which is also very unusual. So it had this sort of very surreal sense of being in another reality, kind of in an isolated sort of reality when this was going on. But aside from that sort of bizarre sense of being surreal, I didn't really feel any particular kind of connection except for the fact that I became very driven to research UFOs and find out, you know, what everything I could find out. So maybe the drive itself was in some sense part of, you know, the connection or the contact. Yes. And, you know, what you're described? as far as you, in the occupancy of your car, being the only folks to notice it and people around you, not noticing it, that shows up all the time in the literature. Yes, it does. What you're describing is not unusual in this, you know, given the circumstances. Now, here's a question you may have asked yourself. Was there any sort of missing time associated with these events? No. Not that I'm aware of. These happened as far as I could tell in real time. Okay. And then, Do you have any sense that you had been contacted in a way that might fall into the role of experience or fall into the role of, like, abductee? No, because I've actually, since that time, I've actually had dream encounters with Bashar, where we just have conversations. But the friend of mine who also was in the car with me also had a very unusual dream encounter with some, what seemed to be, extraterrestrial beings. And she, and I thank God that she asked this question. She actually had the presence of mind to ask in that dream about the question of, you know, contact or abduction or whatever you want to call it. And you had mentioned a friend of mine earlier who I know is an experiencer, Kim Carlsberg. And so this friend of mine, her name was Tracy, actually in the dream asked, is Kim, Kim, is Kim, Kim, having the experiences that she's saying. she's having and the beings in the dream told her yes. And then Tracy said, what about me and what about Daryl? And the answer the beings gave her was, no, we're through with your family lines. So that to me means that somewhere in the past, some of that kind of interaction or perhaps DNA alteration or whatever it is they were doing was conducted in each of our family lineages, but that for some reason our family lineages were done as part of their agenda. And so at this point, that was not something that we were experiencing.

the beings gave her was, no, we're through with your family lines. So that to me means that somewhere in the past, some of that kind of interaction or perhaps DNA alteration or whatever it is they were doing was conducted in each of our family lineages, but that for some reason our family lineages were done as part of their agenda. And so at this point, that was not something that we were experiencing. We were now experiencing something very different, which I guess has to do with the channeling. This is fascinating. This is just fascinating. Now, you had a similar dream where you interacted with these entities? I've had four very strong interactions in dream states, specifically with Bashar. And when I have those kinds of interactions, they are not like any other kind of dream. It's literally like having a conversation with someone where you're sitting down and talking with them for the duration of the dream. And nothing else is going on. One time it took place inside of his ship. Another time took place outside where I saw a ship land and he gets out. And another took place where it's like we're just sitting in some kind of a space, non-descript space, in two chairs talking with each other. It's just very straightforward conversations when I have encounters with him. in dream time. And did you make an effort to like record or document in a diary format those interactions? Not, yes. I mean, I've written them down for myself. I haven't really recorded them strongly anywhere else, but I have discussed them or described them to people over the course of time. And what did he look like? Oh, he's described himself many times. And certainly when I channel him, I can see exactly what he looks like. They describe themselves as high beings. They describe themselves actually as the result of those, you know, interactions where people have reported seeing the grays, as they're called, extract DNA and seemingly creating children hybrid beings between humans and the grays. And he, Bashar, has actually described himself as one of those, one of those hybrids. And they describe themselves as approximately five feet. tall. Their skin is very pale, very, very white. Their head is slightly larger than ours, not extremely so. Their eyes are larger than ours. Nose, mouth and ears seem to be a little bit smaller. They're very slender, appearing maybe almost frail to us. But, you know, generally that's, and then the males have no hair. The females, he say, do, but it tends to be white, although there are exceptions. But that's pretty much what he's described. society to look like. This is fascinating.

is slightly larger than ours, not extremely so. Their eyes are larger than ours. Nose, mouth and ears seem to be a little bit smaller. They're very slender, appearing maybe almost frail to us. But, you know, generally that's, and then the males have no hair. The females, he say, do, but it tends to be white, although there are exceptions. But that's pretty much what he's described. society to look like. This is fascinating. As I go into this research and do this research, one of the things I find over and over and over again is people who claim the direct contact experience or the abduction experience will say, you know, like, oh, you know, when they list the things that have been the result of their experience, they'll say, oh, and then I started to channel. And I have been interacting with a lot of researchers, and I will, I have to say that these researchers put on their hat that says that they are very open-minded and that they are very scientific, and then when they get to the channeling aspect of it, they are, they dismiss it with such contempt. And it's, it's one of these things where it's like, well, wait a minute, here, I, I, I've just been doing this for a couple years, and, and it's a pattern, you know, it is a very real pattern. It is. It is, and I think part of the difficulty for them is, like I said, sort of initially, is most people don't understand what channeling actually is. And I think that people have a lot of erroneous definitions of it that make it difficult for them to accept as a phenomenon. You know, it sometimes for people falls into the category of things like possession and stuff like that, and nothing could be further from the truth. It, to me, actually has a very scientific basis. to it. It's really just all about resonance. When I am channeling, it's just that my brain waves are going into an altered state. They attain a different frequency and they raise to a different pitch. Bashar is doing the same thing on his end. And somewhere in the middle, our frequencies lock. And it becomes like two tuning forks, where if two tuning forks are sort of keyed to each other, then when you start one vibrating, the other one will vibrate in sympathetic harmony. And so you're kind of getting a translation out of Bashar's thoughts, a translation in my energy out of my language that I was raised to understand. But he's not in my body. He's not speaking our language. In a sense, it's really very similar to a telephone. You know that the voice that you're hearing on your end is not the original acoustic voice. It's been translated into electronic signals and turned back into. an acoustic sound at your end.

a translation out of Bashar's thoughts, a translation in my energy out of my language that I was raised to understand. But he's not in my body. He's not speaking our language. In a sense, it's really very similar to a telephone. You know that the voice that you're hearing on your end is not the original acoustic voice. It's been translated into electronic signals and turned back into. an acoustic sound at your end. This is in some senses exactly what I think is going on with channeling, is that people are getting into a resonant frequency where they become frequency matched. They become harmonically matched to another entity's consciousness. And when you do that, you create a model of their consciousness out of your own energy and can in a sense act as a biological translation device. So I think there's actually quite a lot of scientific basis for how channeling can actually function, but I think most people don't understand that because they equate it to other things that are kind of more steeped in mythology or folklore. Now, could, you know, like I've met with a bunch of channels and talked to people who claim that they channel. I've sat through some channeled sessions. And my, you know, what I've come away with is that there are some good ones, there's some very good ones. And then there are some that the only way I can describe it is perhaps their radio is faulty, you know, they're actually... Yeah. Well, it's like anything. You know, there's people who are well practiced at it, and there are people who kind of haven't quite gotten the hang of it. And there are people, like I said, who also have, I think, a misunderstanding of what it is, and that can actually color the, let's just say, the efficiency with which they can allow that to happen. So sometimes you get, you know, like you say, like a faulty radio, you'll get resistance, you'll get interference. You'll get interference. You'll get misinterpretation. You'll get people thinking that they're channeling other entities when in fact they may simply be tapping in, you know, to aspects of their own consciousness, either positive or negative. You know, I really, because it's difficult to tell, I really usually just go by the nature of the information in terms of how effective or relevant or positive or constructive or self-empowering it is as opposed to, you know, how, let's say, either controlling or fear-based it is. So to me, you know, the rule of thumb is really, you know, is this a positive, constructive self-empowering source of information, or is it a fear-based sort of dominating, you know, kind of approach? And I just take it on face value in terms of the information regardless of what's happening within the channel themselves. Now, here's a totally pragmatic question that always has, why do some channels talk in sort of a funny voice?

to me, you know, the rule of thumb is really, you know, is this a positive, constructive self-empowering source of information, or is it a fear-based sort of dominating, you know, kind of approach? And I just take it on face value in terms of the information regardless of what's happening within the channel themselves. Now, here's a totally pragmatic question that always has, why do some channels talk in sort of a funny voice? They sort of put on a little funny accent. I think there are several reasons for that, and in my experience, one of those reasons may be that, well, first of all, the way the energy flow and the way the thought forms come from another level, from another, it kind of fluctuates and flows in a very kind of odd sort of pattern. And sometimes that odd pattern puts different stresses on the translation that are unusual for our language, and so it makes it sound like a foreign language. It makes it sound like it has an accent just because the way the energy patterns are flowing, they put these kind of strange and unusual stress patterns on the way the translation happens. At the same time, I also think part of it may be that our brains are interpreting these other entities as being foreign. And therefore, it might just automatically assign what to us sounds like a foreign accent in order for the brain to interpret what's coming through it in a way that makes sense, according to what we've been taught to think of as a foreign consciousness. So, and there may be other reasons for it. But I think it mostly has to do with the idea that some of this information gets translated through the body almost more like music than like language. And so there are just unusual stresses, unusual kinds of tonalities that come through that can to our ears sound like a foreign accent. I, this is, so just, I'm going to apologize in advance if this question sounds odd, but, um, there, I just can't help but think. Now, I've actually seen people make fun of channeling on websites. Sure. And one of the things they will do in order to like, you know, point a finger and they go, is to post a YouTube video of you channeling Bashar. And I have to say that initially, if you just click on this thing and all of a sudden you're watching, you know, you sitting in front of a small audience with that loud, booming staccato voice, it does come across as somewhat absurd. Yes, it does. And I thought that myself when I first saw myself on video. But, you know, I realize that, look, if that's the way the energy has to come through to express itself, then that's the way it comes through.

on this thing and all of a sudden you're watching, you know, you sitting in front of a small audience with that loud, booming staccato voice, it does come across as somewhat absurd. Yes, it does. And I thought that myself when I first saw myself on video. But, you know, I realize that, look, if that's the way the energy has to come through to express itself, then that's the way it comes through. And it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks, because what's more important is to simply allow it to come through in whatever is the best possible way to deliver the information that people need. And the feedback that I get over the past 28 years from at least 99.9.9% of the people is that when they do apply the information that Bashar gives them to their lives, their lives in turn out better. And to me, that's the bottom line. So I really don't care, ultimately, how I look. I know what effect the information is having on people. It's empowering them. It's positive. It's getting them to experience more joy in their lives. And to me, that's what counts. And if I have to sort of look a little silly in order for that to happen, well, then that's what happens. I almost feel like that looking a little silly is almost like an initial hurdle that someone needs to get over. They have to abandon a logical side of their, of their, you know, present-day psyche, you know, to get over that hurdle. And they certainly, yeah, they certainly have to abandon the concept of being self-conscious. Yes. And just listening to your voice now, and I've definitely heard you as Daryl Anka speak, you are, you know, perfectly capable of sounding calm and rational and even keeled. And if you were to be hoaxing this, I would have to assume that you would not, you know, use the loud, silly voice. No. I mean, you know, it's, it's again, I think it's just the way our bodies react to that energy and the motions that our bodies go through are also in some ways interpreting other levels of the communication that are not coming through in an auditory fashion. So, yeah, you know, you kind of wind up looking sort of like a puppet or a mime. But I think that there's actually purpose to all that in a lot of ways. But the bottom line, I've simply, like I said, I've found is that whatever the vibrational energy is that's coming through, when you see this thing, when you see a channeling live, it does make an impact on people. It actually does immerse them in some other kind of vibration. And it just doesn't matter what you look like. And maybe, again, like you say, that's actually kind of maybe part of the point.

ways. But the bottom line, I've simply, like I said, I've found is that whatever the vibrational energy is that's coming through, when you see this thing, when you see a channeling live, it does make an impact on people. It actually does immerse them in some other kind of vibration. And it just doesn't matter what you look like. And maybe, again, like you say, that's actually kind of maybe part of the point. It sort of demonstrates that, look, you know, no one in their right mind would do this. They didn't have to do it this way. You know, there must be some reason why it's presenting itself this way. And so I just have to let it be what it is. It's if I try to stop it, if I try to regulate it, I know that the information won't come through as clearly, won't come through as smoothly, and it won't have the same benefit for people. So I just have to give up the whole concept of how it looks, and I just have to focus on the fact that whatever's coming through is what needs to come through, and that's the way it has to happen. Now, if I'm not mistaken, having followed your information, Bashar is actually you in a, you know, off in the future somewhere? I think I have found that in most cases of people that channel what present themselves as other entities, there is almost always some kind of a soul connection between the channel and the entity. In other words, you know, if you look at the idea linearly, you could say, yes, Bashar is a future incarnation and I'm one of his past incarnations. So, in essence, we're the same soul. But as Bashar has explained it, and as I think now quantum physics is also beginning to discover, or has discovered or proposed, time, in a sense, is an illusion that really isn't a past, present, and future per se. All different timelines exist at the same time, in much the same way that different frames on a film strip, even though they may represent different times in the movie, all exist all at once on the film strip. So because everything actually exists all at once, mechanically speaking, even though we may experience it differently from a linear third-dimensional perspective, that creates the possibility and creates the opportunity for another version of my soul, if you will, to be capable of actually connecting with a past self, quote unquote, because the future self and the past self actually simultaneously coexist. And if the future self has understood how to make that connection, then such connections can be made. How are your, you know, you, Daryl, how are your psychic skills? Well, I think they have increased somewhat in doing the channeling.

the opportunity for another version of my soul, if you will, to be capable of actually connecting with a past self, quote unquote, because the future self and the past self actually simultaneously coexist. And if the future self has understood how to make that connection, then such connections can be made. How are your, you know, you, Daryl, how are your psychic skills? Well, I think they have increased somewhat in doing the channeling. I find that I'm able to sort of pick up on things a little bit more clearly, more intuitively, there's more synchronicity in my life. And by the way, I think actually synchronicity, actually has a lot to do with the idea of psychic functioning. Again, I think that a lot of people have a different idea or a different definition of what psychic functioning actually is than what the mechanical truth is, or the vibrational reality is of that particular experience. But I think it has a lot to do with synchronicity and making a connection to the fact that things exist on different vibratory levels and just keying into those frequencies and becoming sensitive to interpreting those frequencies. So definitely doing the channeling for 28 years has made me more sensitive to those things, and I will very often kind of pick up on things that I never picked up on before. Now, so my website is about UFOs and synchronicities. And I, this is something. How synchronous. Yeah, so I've got a little checklist of questions, and you jumped ahead, so I want to follow this up. I have spoken. about this a lot and written about this a lot on my website, I have some events in my life that certainly point to what might be UFO abduction events. I'm very cautious to label them as such, just because I simply don't have that direct memory. If I put the puzzle pieces together, there's a little blank spot in the puzzle, and it is very easy to infer what might be in that blank spot, but until I know for certain, I'm just cautious to make it leap. And I think that's wise. What has happened, since I have started looking into this, is that my personal synchronicities have gone off the charts. I am experiencing things that on one level I feel very safe calling it magic. I feel like something has intersected with my life that seems a direct result of my doing self-research on the UFO phenomena. Yeah. It is showing up in the forms of synchronicity, and why is that happening? Well, I was going to say, I think synchronicity is one of the symptoms of expanding consciousness, because synchronicity, at least from Bashar's perspective, and of course now I share the same perspective with him, synchronicity is linear space-time's way of doing the best it can to actually show you that everything is connected and everything is one thing.

phenomena. Yeah. It is showing up in the forms of synchronicity, and why is that happening? Well, I was going to say, I think synchronicity is one of the symptoms of expanding consciousness, because synchronicity, at least from Bashar's perspective, and of course now I share the same perspective with him, synchronicity is linear space-time's way of doing the best it can to actually show you that everything is connected and everything is one thing. But it can only do that in a space-time sort of fashion. And so synchronicity, when events seem to sort of come together at exactly the right place, the right time, with a certain kind of meaning that seems very specific for you, I think it's demonstrating that your frequency is accelerating and raising to the point where you're starting to really become harmoniously aligned with the higher vibration level at which your consciousness can clearly see and more readily perceive that everything is interconnected and that everything is a different expression of the same one creation. So I think synchronicity is a marker and the acceleration of synchronicity is a marker of the expansion of consciousness no matter what triggers it. Because I think that I see synchronicity is a marker. increasing in a number of people's lives, including my own. As you said, sometimes in almost you know, hysterically surreal and magical ways that are just almost beyond belief. Some of the synchronicities are just so profoundly bizarre. But I think that's a symptom of expansion of consciousness, no matter whether it's triggered by UFO experiences or whether it's triggered simply by, you know, yogic practices or explorations of consciousness. I just think the willingness to move in that direction results in more and more increased synchronicity in your life because you're just more harmoniously aligned with that level of perception. You know, I agree, and it's, because I've been looking at it only from the UFO abduction lore and how it ties into that. And it seems to be almost universal that people who claim this close contact have the heightened sense of synchronicity. And a very close friend of mine, when I tried to explain this to her, she sort of rolled her eyes and she kind of said, like, well, anyone on a spiritual journey will have increased synchronicity, which is, yeah, yeah. So you're, you're, I agree, though I just still find it so illuminating and fascinating that what it's giving me is confirmation in a way of what might be in those, that blank spot on the puzzle, that is still a mystery to me. So I'm getting confirmation in the form of synchronicity. Yeah, it's interesting about the blank spots that you're referring to because one of the things that Bashar has actually been talking about lately, which is very interesting, is he said that many, many people have actually had contact and they don't remember that they've had contact.

of what might be in those, that blank spot on the puzzle, that is still a mystery to me. So I'm getting confirmation in the form of synchronicity. Yeah, it's interesting about the blank spots that you're referring to because one of the things that Bashar has actually been talking about lately, which is very interesting, is he said that many, many people have actually had contact and they don't remember that they've had contact. And the rate at which they actually begin to remember some of the experiences they've had is actually used as a barometer by Bashar and other extraterrestrial beings to be able to tell when we're ready for more conscious open contact. So many times the contacts are perhaps either on our part or on the E.T's part or on both of our parts deliberately obscured, deliberately forgotten, so that they can use the rate at which we remember those events as a measuring device to be able to tell when we're integrated enough for more open contact in a conscious way. So I thought that was kind of a fascinating comment. And that's sort of my sense. I was actually told by a psychic, during a psychic reading, her name is Marissa Ryan. I believe she lives in California. I don't know if you're familiar with her at all. No. But she told me that I had chosen to come here in this life and that I had chosen these experiences and volunteered, but that I had also chosen not to remember in order to be to go through the role of searching and to go through the journey of searching and that I would be writing about this stuff specifically to bring solace to people who are on the same path as me. Yes, I mean, you know, to put it really simply, you know, there's no way to remember unless you forget. There's no way to have an experience that seems like a discovery unless you don't remember that you already know this. So it's a very typical thing for us to do when we choose to have lives in these kinds of physical realities to intentionally impose some forgetfulness because then the journey of discovery becomes unique. It becomes a unique way. of rediscovering and remembering what our spirits may already know, but the unique journey adds to the overall experience of creation because this unique journey has never happened before. And so even though on one level, all of that already exists, it's our journey and our experience of rediscovery from a different perspective that that really expands creation infinitely. How do you define the role of the shaman in our present-day society? As a guide, in a sense, essentially, I think, to help people, to guide people on ways that may work best for them to tap into whatever their belief systems are, whatever permission slips they're giving themselves to help open them up to more of themselves.

journey and our experience of rediscovery from a different perspective that that really expands creation infinitely. How do you define the role of the shaman in our present-day society? As a guide, in a sense, essentially, I think, to help people, to guide people on ways that may work best for them to tap into whatever their belief systems are, whatever permission slips they're giving themselves to help open them up to more of themselves. I think that's the basic function of a shaman or any form. of guide whatsoever, is to really sort of reflect things to you that help you discover or rediscover more of who you truly are as a being at your core, your essence. And then I asked you that specifically, do you see yourself as a shaman? No, I don't. Do you see Bashar as a shaman? I would see him more as a shaman. Certainly he's functioning as a guide and a mentor, and I understand that I'm dispensing information by doing the channelings, but I don't think of myself as a shaman. You know, perhaps I'm functioning in some senses as a reflection or as an example of a state of being that other people can also choose to experience, but I just feel like I'm just really more than being a shaman, I just feel like I'm becoming more representative of being a full human. Um, here's a question I ask everyone who comes on the show, uh, and this is from my own personal experience. Um, what do you, how do you see the role of owls, whether they be an archetype or whether they be some sort of messenger? I have had so many synchronistic experiences involving owls. Um, I'm trying not to laugh right now because that's one of the strongest symptoms of the abduction phenomenon. Um, many times it may be possible that you're actually seeing an owl, but from the research I've done, it may also be that a lot of times the perception of an owl may be what's termed a screen memory. Oh, oh, I'm very familiar with that. And I have, I believe when I see an owl, that's like the one thing I grit my teeth and I get to go like, okay, this is a, that is a real owl. And I can, I can, I feel like the owl experiences that I have had, um, I feel quite confident saying that they are real owls. And almost every one of them has been in a real owl. great big crowd of people and there's no missing time event or anything. But believe me, I have, I have, I have, I have looked long and hard at exactly the question. But the archetype, I think, is pretty much what we generally hold the owl to be, and that is the concept of wisdom or the concept of seeing into other levels.

And almost every one of them has been in a real owl. great big crowd of people and there's no missing time event or anything. But believe me, I have, I have, I have, I have looked long and hard at exactly the question. But the archetype, I think, is pretty much what we generally hold the owl to be, and that is the concept of wisdom or the concept of seeing into other levels. And so even if they're actually physically owls, I think the, the experiences that you've had have triggered certain energies within you that synchronistically attract the archetype that represents that level of consciousness, that level of wisdom, that level of seeing, of penetrating into other realities. And so by constantly attracting that archetypal reflection, you're synchronistically reminded of what the vibrational level is that is your, in a sense, your higher state, your natural state of being. Oh, that's, that's, I mean, if I, if I, how to say this, I, I, uh, I, I, as a child growing up, I would, um, walk to and from school alone. And I remember, this is like the way I phrase it as like, you know, when walking to school alone, I, I, I had just a calm clarity on things. And I often think that, um, that calm clarity that I just, uh, that I put in that framework, um, you know, I think a lot of answers are within, um, you know, I think a lot of, um, you know, I think a lot of answer is, um, um, you know, you know, I think I think that held within that clarity. Uh, and, and, and in, in essence, I didn't even really need to ask the owl question because that would have been the answer I would have given myself in, in that, um, you know, walking home from school mode. Mm-hmm. Yeah. In those moments, I think, you know, everyone finds those moments of quiet solitude where they, I think, uh, from time to time do realize that they do have the answers or it's certainly they have access to the answers to their questions. Uh, Bashar kind of uses a, uh, acute analogy, um, in one sense, he says, of course, you know, if you didn't actually know the answer, you probably would not have been able to conceive of the question to begin with. So all you really need to do to discover the answer is take that little bent over question mark and straighten it out into an exclamation point, and you'll realize the answer's there. And that is a cute little way of saying it, you know. And, and, and I think that, uh, you know, we as humans are, are, I don't want to say shy, but you know, there, we're, that's difficult to do sometimes. It's difficult only because we have been taught to believe that such a thing is difficult.

over question mark and straighten it out into an exclamation point, and you'll realize the answer's there. And that is a cute little way of saying it, you know. And, and, and I think that, uh, you know, we as humans are, are, I don't want to say shy, but you know, there, we're, that's difficult to do sometimes. It's difficult only because we have been taught to believe that such a thing is difficult. Bashar explains at length and quite extensively that our physical reality experience is wholly determined by what we believe to be true, and that when we get in touch with whatever it is, we do believe, and we start to alter the beliefs, then it is the alteration of our deepest beliefs that actually alters our experience of physical reality, because from his perspective, physical reality doesn't really exist outside of us. It's only the product of what we choose to believe we're experiencing. Even if we do that by agreement with many people, it's still a collective belief. And when a person changes their beliefs, they actually do change their experience of physical reality. Do you ever clash with Bashar, like, as personalities? No. No. Okay, just wondering, just wondering if you would, like, if you would, you know, ever, like, sort of, you know, want to, like, put your hand up and say, like, wait a minute, I disagree. So, so. No, I, I've usually found that even though some of the concepts he's bringing through, it may take me a while to, to understand or absorb them, or they may seem confusing or contradictory or contrary at first. When I start investigating them deeply enough, I start to understand where he's coming from. from, and what he's really describing is the nature of the structure of existence itself. And once you understand on a very simple level, the actual structure of existence, a lot of what he's talking about and a lot of what other entities talk about makes perfect logical sense. So I just, it just sort of is starting to seem obvious to me. And I ask that because you're, you must be familiar with Neil Donald Walsh. Oh, absolutely. Yes, so I, his first three books I thought were brilliant. they had a profound impact on my life. Those books and a series of others were instrumental. The Emanuel Speaks books I thought were actually so beautiful also. But that was the thing I really liked about his initial books was that he was, I just, his voice was very quick to jump in and say, like, now, wait a minute, you've got to explain that again. Sure, he was having a dialogue, but see, I'm not actually having a dialogue. I'm just letting him speak. But when he speaks, the concepts, in a sense, rub off on me.

actually so beautiful also. But that was the thing I really liked about his initial books was that he was, I just, his voice was very quick to jump in and say, like, now, wait a minute, you've got to explain that again. Sure, he was having a dialogue, but see, I'm not actually having a dialogue. I'm just letting him speak. But when he speaks, the concepts, in a sense, rub off on me. So as he's speaking, I'm in a sense being educated, even though I don't hear the words when I channel, the concepts sink into me. And so I can, I get to share the same perspective he actually has. And the way that they see things and the way that they feel is profoundly different than the way we typically feel. than the way we typically feel on a day-to-day basis. And so since I actually get to understand things from his perspective directly by standing in the stream of his consciousness while he's channeling through me, there really isn't the back-and-forth dialogue. I'm not really coming from a different place. I'm actually being immersed in his perspective. And so I get it. Okay, good, good. Because I found that that that dialogue for me was a very, effective way for me to step into this realm of the channeled material. Absolutely. There are many, many ways, because there are many beliefs that this information needs to be delivered in order so that some particular way will work best for you, whereas another way will work best for someone else. As Bashar often says, if there was only one way, there would only be one person. Obviously, there's more than one person around. So there's a number of ways that work. I have been, one of the things that I've been doing is I have been talking directly with people who claim the contact experience, the UFO abduction experience. And within that, those people, some individuals have such a rich collection of experiences that almost comes out as, I mean, it's confusing for me to try to make sense of what they're saying. And I suspect it's confusing for them. to try to articulate what's going on. And it certainly seems that something is happening in a dimension or realm that is different than ours, enough that it scrambles up what would be, you know, my ability to look at this logically. In some ways, yes. I think that certain of those experiences do take place in a different, a slightly different dimensional plane out of phase with ours. And I think that our physical minds. have difficulty interpreting or putting words to or symbols to some of the things that get experienced in that other realm because there just aren't words for it. There is no way to really describe it exactly.

look at this logically. In some ways, yes. I think that certain of those experiences do take place in a different, a slightly different dimensional plane out of phase with ours. And I think that our physical minds. have difficulty interpreting or putting words to or symbols to some of the things that get experienced in that other realm because there just aren't words for it. There is no way to really describe it exactly. You see the same kind of thing happen with people who experience, you know, have near-death experiences when they claim, you know, that they go to the other side and then they come back. A lot of times they say, you know, I'm trying to describe what I experienced, but I can only get so close, but I can't actually find the words. And I think that's got to be true for anything that happens in an ultra-dimensional reality, because they're just, you know, we just don't really have the language to exactly express what goes on in a reality that allows you to experience something quite a bit different than what's capable of being experienced in this reality. Good. I'm just going to run down and just ask you a few things on the checklist here about the abduction phenomena. A lot of people, I'm very familiar with all the claims of the hybrid experiences in the hybrid beings in a breeding program. Is this literally physically happening or is this some sort of metaphor that we're meant to interpret? I believe it's both. Because again, as I said, Bashar is saying that his civilization is actually one of the results physically of that hybridization program. So at the same time, there are definitely metaphorical experiences, metaphorical information in there that has to do with understanding our own expansion of consciousness, our connection to those beings, our connection to the universe, the cosmos. There's definitely reflections in there that go way beyond the physical act, but I do believe it is a physical act. There is actually the physical creation of hybrid beings being undertaken for the purpose, at least as I understand it, of the perpetuation of their civilization, since it seems that the Grays did something to themselves that prevented them from being able to replicate, and they needed viable DNA from us in order to do so. Bashar has explained that the reason that this is possible is that what we think of as the grays are not actually alien beings. He has said they're really mutated humans from a parallel reality. And therefore, since they have done this to themselves and prevented themselves from being able to continue as a viable civilization, they needed a source of viable human DNA with which to create hybrids that could allow their civilization to continue. And Bashar's civilization, as he has described it, is one of five different hybrid civilizations that are the direct result of that genetic program.

has said they're really mutated humans from a parallel reality. And therefore, since they have done this to themselves and prevented themselves from being able to continue as a viable civilization, they needed a source of viable human DNA with which to create hybrids that could allow their civilization to continue. And Bashar's civilization, as he has described it, is one of five different hybrid civilizations that are the direct result of that genetic program. Now, I hear you say that, and I can interpret. that both ways. I can interpret it literally, and then I can also interpret that metaphorically, where, you know, that would be the story that, you know, if I was the scriptwriter of a science fiction movie and I wanted to, you know, say, you know, me as the author, am concerned about the road we're traveling, you know, I would write that script as a metaphor for our own society right now. Absolutely. And I think this is why so many abductees also report that they actually do receive. information from their experiences where they're given visions of environmental disasters and things like this and saying, look, we did this to ourselves, this is where you're headed if you don't change course. So, yes, even though it still continues to sound very much like a science fiction story, I think it may be possible that in their reality, they already walked that path and they know the consequences of those choices. And in some senses, they're trying to let us know that we might be heading that way if we don't make other choices. Now, another thing that's often reported in the abduction lore is, you know, military experiences, often refer to a military abduction or my lab experiences. Yes. This is something that I find, I mean, I hear these reports. I've talked to people directly. Is this literally happening? I believe there is validity to some of the reports. I have no idea if they're all true. But I do believe from my own research and from some of the things that Bashar has said that there is some validity to those reports. What about the, I've also talked to folks that say that something is going on with what would be secret societies. And the Illuminati is a very tidy catchphrase. And this is something that I'm also, you know, I hear these reports. I hear this line of speculation and there's a certain logic to it, but I'm quite baffled as to what the real meaning might be behind all this. This is an area that Bashar actually does not go into very deeply, specifically because even though he acknowledges certainly as human beings, there are obviously people on this planet that are negatively oriented that try to control and dominate things. And certainly we do know that there are such.

line of speculation and there's a certain logic to it, but I'm quite baffled as to what the real meaning might be behind all this. This is an area that Bashar actually does not go into very deeply, specifically because even though he acknowledges certainly as human beings, there are obviously people on this planet that are negatively oriented that try to control and dominate things. And certainly we do know that there are such. things as conspiracies and people trying to, you know, control, you know, situations and retain power or what they think passes for power. Certainly those things do exist on our planet. Bashar does not go deeply into these things because he recognizes that sometimes a lot of people who get deeply involved in investigating these things sort of succumb to the fear-based energy. And he does not wish people to focus on that. Because from his perspective, even if someone else does have the negative intention of attempting to dominate other people, he says, if you maintain a particular vibration of a positive nature, of a state of being that is representative of a reality you prefer, then it doesn't matter what anyone else's intention is toward you. They will not be able to be in any way, shape, or form, able to affect you in your life. because in a sense, your vibration will be so different than theirs that they will not be able to cross that divide in terms of affecting what it is that you need in your life. So he really kind of cautions people not to get too deeply involved in focusing or connecting to that because all it does is perpetuate the same fear-based energy and it reinforces the ideas that those people may be attempting to instill within you. And in some senses actually allow that. them more control by succumbing to the idea that these fear-based ideas exist. So that's sort of his take on that. He doesn't go deeply into it. Oh, so this is interesting. It's just something you actually have addressed with him or has been addressed? Okay. Yes. And in fact, recently he's actually said that even though he has discussed these things in the past with people in various sessions, that because now the energy is accelerating because it's, you know, or what have you, whatever you want to call this threshold crossing of transformation, he said, you know, that will really not be a subject that he will discuss anymore because he thinks it's more important at this point for people to focus on the idea that they have the power to create the realities in positive ways, regardless of what they may be viewing in other people. And he really would prefer at this point that people focus on the positive energy and creating a positive reality than getting all caught up in negative conspiracy theories, which ultimately don't really serve them in positive ways.

he thinks it's more important at this point for people to focus on the idea that they have the power to create the realities in positive ways, regardless of what they may be viewing in other people. And he really would prefer at this point that people focus on the positive energy and creating a positive reality than getting all caught up in negative conspiracy theories, which ultimately don't really serve them in positive ways. If, you know, what other areas does Bashar avoid or choose not to answer? It's difficult to say because in some cases, you know, how do we know what he's not talking about? There may be things that he's simply not even mentioning that we have no idea of. But recently, one of the other things he said will also no longer be coming through me would be health information because he's delivered a lot of health information in the past. He feels that people have the information they need to access or that they can find it from other sources. He feels now with the way energy is accelerating, he needs to focus at this point because of the acceleration on very specific subjects that have to do with helping us understand exactly how we create our reality and what our consciousness is all about. And so at this point, not, you know, not for any negative reason. He's just saying that's just really not my job anymore. And so the channelings do change over time. The content of the information does change over time as we change based on what Bashar believes is the most important information we need in our lives at this point. Okay. So that his focus now would be in elevating consciousness. Yes, I mean, it always has been, but it's going to really take much more specific kinds of expressions. And I think that I'm beginning to get a sense that one of the things he has not been able to discuss that probably in the approaching times he will probably be more able to become a little bit more in and vocal about is our politics, especially with regard to the issue of disclosure. So I'm getting the impression that as we transition into this, you know, through this crossing this threshold into this new energy state into this new day and age of more awareness, that the ETs will actually be able to become a little bit more involved directly in our social conventions and our political ideas, guiding us a little bit more clearly in those areas as well, whereas before that, they were really holding off on that and had kind of a hands-off kind of policy so that they wouldn't intervene or interfere too much in the decision. that we were able to make for ourselves. But I think that's changing now. And how do you see that happening? Would it be direct downloads to people of influence, or would it be?

a little bit more clearly in those areas as well, whereas before that, they were really holding off on that and had kind of a hands-off kind of policy so that they wouldn't intervene or interfere too much in the decision. that we were able to make for ourselves. But I think that's changing now. And how do you see that happening? Would it be direct downloads to people of influence, or would it be? That's possible, but I think it's also just about dialogue and discussion about what people can actually do to promote, you know, more open communication, have less secrecy in certain areas. So I just think, whereas before they haven't really been willing to say anything at all, now I think they're actually going to start giving suggestions and guys. guidance for what, you know, how we can better create the kind of world we actually want and how we can have more open communication with regard to things that here to for have been held in deep secrecy. And how does this all connect to 2012? He sees it as the sort of crossing of a threshold, the tipping of a scales. It's like he describes it as the sort of leading edge of our collective consciousness or the bow shock wave that where it's almost like crossing the sound barrier. and he sees it as whereas heretofore before this time the collective energy of the world may have been just shall we say the majority of it may have been negative where after crossing this threshold he says we finally tip the scales to where the majority even maybe just a slight majority but the majority of the collective energy of our planet will for the first time in many thousands of years be more positive than negative and we can actually now build on that and accelerate on that and have a snowball effect of having things happen faster and faster and faster that are more integrative and cohesive and positive because we finally tip the scale and have a little bit more momentum on the positive side than we've had for thousands of years. I'm reminded of some research that was done on, you know, the beautiful imagery of a big flock of birds and they're flying all in one direction and then snap they all as one singular unit fly in an opposite direction. Yes. There's been some studies with what amount. to slow motion, like what is actually happening. And there is, it's, in essence, the bird's changing direction in flight is a microcosm of that, you know, hopeful analogy you just gave where, uh, there, you know, one bird will turn, another bird will turn, and then as they reach a tipping point, all of them will turn as if in unison. Right.

in an opposite direction. Yes. There's been some studies with what amount. to slow motion, like what is actually happening. And there is, it's, in essence, the bird's changing direction in flight is a microcosm of that, you know, hopeful analogy you just gave where, uh, there, you know, one bird will turn, another bird will turn, and then as they reach a tipping point, all of them will turn as if in unison. Right. Yeah, Bashar also sort of refers to this as the rubber band analogy, because he says, you know, how on your planet you have rubber bands and you know that the farther back you pull them, when you finally let them go, they'll snap that much faster and that much farther in the other direction. So the idea is that we've been exploring sort of, you know, limitation and negativity and darkness for so long, he said, you know, but the deeper that you have explored those things, the deeper into darkness and limitation you've gone, that means when you finally decide to truly let that go, you will snap that much faster and that much farther into the light. I have sat in UFO support groups where we sit around in a circle and it's like an alcoholic's anonymous meeting and people share their experiences. Right. And some people have extremely dark, frightening experiences. They, they, they, the, you know, if you listen to them, they are experiencing interactions with demons. other people have beautiful, wonderful, glorious transcendent experiences, and if you were to interpret that, it sounds like they are interacting with angels. Why is there this dichotomy? I think, though there may be exceptions, I think for the most part, what people are experiencing is the result of their own belief systems in terms of how they have that emotional reaction to what they're going through. Now, I understand that people have reported that if they're interacting with beings, such as the grays, for example, that the grays may not necessarily be capable of really relating to our emotions. They may have, in a sense, bred emotionality out of themselves to the point where they don't understand the reaction we have to them. And so in some senses they may seem a little bit detached or callous. and doing what they're doing may not seem like a big deal to them, but obviously it seems like a very big deal to us. But I think for the most part, and this is sort of based on something that Bashar has explained, is that when we come in contact with what we would classically call the other, a different vibration entirely, an alien frequency, that alien frequency has a tendency to sort of push things in our psyche to the surface that we may not be ready to face about ourselves.

like a very big deal to us. But I think for the most part, and this is sort of based on something that Bashar has explained, is that when we come in contact with what we would classically call the other, a different vibration entirely, an alien frequency, that alien frequency has a tendency to sort of push things in our psyche to the surface that we may not be ready to face about ourselves. Buried fears, self-doubts, issues of lack of self-worth may suddenly be forced into the surface of our consciousness before we're ready to integrate them. And this can actually cause a fear, fight, or flight survival reaction in us, even if nothing is actually being done to us to harm us. So I think that in a lot of cases, again, maybe not all, but in a lot of cases, that great fearful reaction is simply feeling our own fears that are being forced to the surface by being in proximity to something so alien and so different that we're just simply have no way of integrating. I had an experience. I've had, there was only one, well, I guess I've had two. I've had two experiences where I felt like absolutely soul-crushing fear. And one of them was in a tent, and I was with someone who had also had a lifetime of odd life events similar to mine. And this was followed up by, you know, memories of me being on a table and, you know, floated through the top of the tent. But the initial experience was, there was about two or three minutes where both of us were wide awake, and I have never experienced anything like that. It felt like, you know, my soul was going to be squashed out under the foot of some unimaginable reality. Yeah, I do believe that in the majority of these experiences, there is actually no harm intended to the humans that are involved in this. But I do think that, as I said, you know, our psyche has been. been so preconditioned to look at reality in such a limited way that when we're suddenly faced with the absolutely undeniable presence of something that is beyond our understanding that one of our typical reactions is simply to go completely into that survival fear mode and it just, you know, it just courses through us like a wildfire. And it's very difficult for us to to stop that that sensation. But I think that over time, people I've heard have gotten sort of, in a sense, used to the experiences more and more. They begin to understand that they are part of the agenda that they've chosen this. And regardless of what the physical mind may remember about that agreement, the higher mind does agree, does remember this agreement.

us like a wildfire. And it's very difficult for us to to stop that that sensation. But I think that over time, people I've heard have gotten sort of, in a sense, used to the experiences more and more. They begin to understand that they are part of the agenda that they've chosen this. And regardless of what the physical mind may remember about that agreement, the higher mind does agree, does remember this agreement. And that in time, the physical mind will also realize, that this is part and parcel of a choice that's been made that is serving the greater good on a lot of different levels, I think, both for that species and our species in a number of ways. And I find that the more people get in touch with that and the more they bring love into those experiences, both love of themselves and love of the others, that the experiences then tend to change their nature, change how their experiences. into something more positive. So I think a lot of it has to do with our own self-integration, and it's an opportunity for us to face our fears and integrate them and become something greater that is actually more reflective of what the entire picture is all about. Now, that answer you just gave, was that coming from you, Daryl, or was that coming from you having listened and integrated what Bashar has taught? it's coming from both, because it's coming from what Bashar has taught, and it's also coming from my own research in speaking with people that have had those experiences over time and seeing how it's changed for them. There's, when I talk to folks that claim the experience, sometimes they'll say, like, oh, I'm interacting with the Pleadians, or I'm interacting with the Arcturians or the Syrians, and, you know, I look in the night sky and I can pick out all those stars. Is this a reality? Are the Pleadians really from the Pleiades, or is this a kind of metaphor? No, I do believe that in some of these cases, this is representative of actual contact, but I also understand that in some cases, or maybe in most cases, a lot of those kinds of contacts take place in a completely different dimension, and so can have those sort of surreal metaphorical qualities to them that seem dreamlike. they may not be taking place in our physical reality. They may be happening on a on sort of a quasi-physical plane or a higher-dimensional plane that seems very unreal to us. So I do think some of those experiences are actually happening, but I think they're happening in a way and in a place and on a level that's very hard to pin down as actually happening in our physical reality. Does that make sense? Sure.

not be taking place in our physical reality. They may be happening on a on sort of a quasi-physical plane or a higher-dimensional plane that seems very unreal to us. So I do think some of those experiences are actually happening, but I think they're happening in a way and in a place and on a level that's very hard to pin down as actually happening in our physical reality. Does that make sense? Sure. You know, the thing that I struggle with is the people that say they're interacting with the Pleadians, and I have this image of these, you know, Nordic, blonde, beautiful, you know, and I suspect that if I got a really, really strong telescope and pointed it up at the Pleiadian, you know, that the Pleiadian star system, that I wouldn't be able to see nice, beautiful blonde people on a planet waving back at me. Well, I don't, I don't, yes, I don't know. I mean, Bashar has talked about the fact that obviously in their reality, I mean, they are, they do have a physicality, but he said that. they also exist in a slightly altered parallel reality. So even though he said their star system is about 500 light years in the direction of the Orion constellation, we can't see their star unless we actually shift into their particular parallel reality, which to them is every bit as physical as ours is to us. Good, good, okay, that's a great answer. Hey, I had a synchronicity while looking through trying to research, you know, one of the things I did to research you was just get on YouTube and just scroll through some videos. And one of them, I was like kind of looking at the big long list, and it said Bashar hybrid children, and this is something that's always fascinated me. And part of the reason is because I have no direct evidence of this, but I have been told by psychics that I have children, off-planet children, which I have absolutely no evidence of. Right. And it doesn't ring true on any sort of deep. level. So one of the things that as far as a synchronicity and other people report this too is that a certain set of numbers seem to follow me around. And that would be, for me would be one, two, three, one, two, three, four, or one, two, three, four, five. And I see these connected synchronistically with. There's a lot of people that have reported, and I have them too. I have numerical synchronities. They may mean many different kinds of things. I I personally just use them as kind of a marker to let me know that I'm still in alignment with my own synchronicity, with my own preferred vibration. But I get the number 10-10 all the time. I was born at 10-10 at night.

see these connected synchronistically with. There's a lot of people that have reported, and I have them too. I have numerical synchronities. They may mean many different kinds of things. I I personally just use them as kind of a marker to let me know that I'm still in alignment with my own synchronicity, with my own preferred vibration. But I get the number 10-10 all the time. I was born at 10-10 at night. I see 10-10 all over the place, you know, in a variety of ways that are unusual and stand out for me. But I just use that as a road marker because every time I see it, I know, okay, I'm in alignment with my preferred vibration and therefore I'm getting a synchronistic reflection of that. So here's, so this, one of the videos is Bishar's, as hybrid children, and this is something that I, you know, don't have a good answer to. And then the viewer count, the number of people who have seen it, is 1,203, which, you know, kind of, that's like one, two, that was when I looked at it. So I did a little screen grab of it. And then said, well, let's, and then, you know, I said, I can dismiss this, right? This is not a real synchronicity. Yeah, it's up to you. It really is. It really is. because synchronicities are a personal thing. You do put your own meaning into them, but they do reflect what your consciousness to some degree might be focused on. So a synchronicity doesn't necessarily have to represent something that's actually happened, but it can represent something that your mind is focused on a lot. And, okay, that's a great answer, because that actually, you know, puts me in the driver's seat a little more rather than me just at that. the whim of the crashing waves of reality, you know, slamming against me. Yeah. One of the things that also was when I, uh, this, this, this, uh, this little YouTube video was uploaded on August 22nd, which is my birthday. So that was one of those things that I just like, right, I, I, my, my, the advice I give to people about synchronicities is simply to pay attention. Right. Yeah. I mean, you, you know, you know, to me, you know, you know, you know, anything that you really, you know, you know, I, I, my, I, my, I, my, my, I, my, my, I'm really need to know in life. If you just keep living your life, you'll find out what you need to know. So it's not like you have to rush it. It's not like you have to push it. It's not like you have to force the information. If there's truly something there for you that you need to know, something's going to happen in your life synchronistically that will allow you to know what the information is that you need to know.

you just keep living your life, you'll find out what you need to know. So it's not like you have to rush it. It's not like you have to push it. It's not like you have to force the information. If there's truly something there for you that you need to know, something's going to happen in your life synchronistically that will allow you to know what the information is that you need to know. So, yeah, I look at those things and I pay attention to them and I use them in certain ways. But, you know, I don't try to read too much into them. I don't try to read too much into them. I don't try to obsess about them or focus on them because I know that if it is representative of something I need to be aware of, as has always happened in my life, something is going to arrange itself, some part of my consciousness, my higher mind is going to arrange events to put me squarely in touch with whatever information is really important for me to know. So I don't ever worry that I'm going to miss anything. Bashar talks about the fact that, you know, we make these kinds of appointments for ourselves. And there's really no way to miss those kinds of appointments. except if we spend time obsessing and worrying that we're going to miss those appointments. That's the only way to miss the appointment. So if we just keep living our lives, keep acting on our passion, keep being who we wish to be, then, you know, any appointment we made is going to happen at exactly the right place and exactly the right time and we won't miss it. I feel like I, I don't want to say made the mistake, but I initially when I was getting hit with some of these synchronicities, they threw me for such a profound loop that I did obsess about them. And I'm much more at peace with it now that I would have been, I guess it was really around 2006 that things really started to come on fast and furious with me. But, and now, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I still, what I've done is I've made a very real effort to document the synchronicities in a blog format. And I think there's, there's a sort of resonant power in putting these things out there in such a in such a oh sure they're fascinating yeah they're there they're a really good demonstration to people and you you know you read a lot of those synchronous stories over and over again I think they're a very good demonstration to people that you know we do in a sense attract what we're focused on and and and that's how the law of attraction works and that's how we create our reality experiences and it's our you know it's whatever our strongest belief and focus is

a really good demonstration to people and you you know you read a lot of those synchronous stories over and over again I think they're a very good demonstration to people that you know we do in a sense attract what we're focused on and and and that's how the law of attraction works and that's how we create our reality experiences and it's our you know it's whatever our strongest belief and focus is that generate rates what it is we keep experiencing in our lives. And so we can use that reflectively in a number of ways. Great. Hey, we've been going at it for, it looks like an hour and 20 minutes here. So how are you holding up? I'm doing okay. I do actually need to kind of go off and do some things because I'm, you know, my other, the other side of my life is that I'm actually in the in the film business and we're just at the point where we're in post-production on our first film as a production company. So I'm... Talk about the film. you're working on? This is from my own production company. It doesn't really have anything directly to do with Bashar, although Bashar Communications and I will be in the future also working on a documentary about Bashar and how I became a channel. But the film that we were in post-production on now is a metaphysical film. It's called Dearly Departed. And it is a fictional documentary shot as if we were able to take a camera into the spirit. world and talk to the spirits of people that have passed on to get their take on life after death. It's sort of based loosely on reports of near-death experiences, but we didn't want to just do a dry documentary on that information. We found it fascinating, but we wanted to do something unique with it. So we kind of were musing around one day and said, you know, wouldn't it be great if we could just take a camera into the spirit world and talk to spirits and find out what the afterlife is like? And so we said, well, you know, why don't we just shoot it that way? as if we did. And that way we get to have a little bit more of a, you know, relatable characters and emotionality in it and we get some humor in it. We get some seriousness in it. And we cover the gamut of all sorts of ideas of not only what the afterlife might be like, but also to get people to sort of focus on their lives while they're still physical and make whatever changes they wish to make in their lives, you know, before it's too late. So we're about a month away from finishing this film. Then we'll be starting to talk to distributors.

get some seriousness in it. And we cover the gamut of all sorts of ideas of not only what the afterlife might be like, but also to get people to sort of focus on their lives while they're still physical and make whatever changes they wish to make in their lives, you know, before it's too late. So we're about a month away from finishing this film. Then we'll be starting to talk to distributors. And ideally, we'll be able to get it out into theaters and see what kind of response we get. But hopefully it will go a long way toward giving some people not only some insight about maybe the afterlife and what things may be like, but also perhaps give them some peace of mind and some comfort because there are a lot of people, of course, that have lost loved ones. And to let them know that perhaps, you know, we're never truly gone, that life goes on, even if it goes on in a different form. And did Bashar consult? Did you consult in this process? No, not directly. I've just used what I've learned from Bashar to be more of myself, to use my own intuitive skills and creative skills to create something, because that's really what Bashar is telling everyone, is, you know, you have the ability, you have the power, you have the talent to access whatever you need. You know, we don't always have to go running to him or beings like him. And he wants us to act on our. highest passion because that vibration is really representative of who we are at our, you know, in our core. And so I'm, I'm, you know, by making these movies, I'm basically following his advice, but he doesn't really directly intervene in that creative process. He wants me and others to know that they have the ability to do those things on their own. And that's what empowers them. And I assume in your years of doing this, you've probably come across mediums that do talk directly with spirits. And I suspect you've gained some insight from that. Yes, absolutely. I actually did have a really good encounter with James Van Pragg, who was very accurate in terms of some of the information that he passed along to my wife and I about our parents, which he could not have known, because we told them nothing. I don't even think we told them our last names. And he picked up on several very specific things that I had actually even had dreams about with regard to my mother and father who had crossed over and picked up on them very accurately. And so, yes, there are definitely people who have that particular skill, you know, who do a valuable service, I think. And I hope that this film will sort of perform a similar function for people.

them our last names. And he picked up on several very specific things that I had actually even had dreams about with regard to my mother and father who had crossed over and picked up on them very accurately. And so, yes, there are definitely people who have that particular skill, you know, who do a valuable service, I think. And I hope that this film will sort of perform a similar function for people. I was first introduced to you through the illustrations you did in Kim Carlsberg's book, Beyond My Wildest Dreams. Yes. And I have to ask you, were those done in magic marker? Some of them, yes, I think a lot of them were done in a lot of different mediums. Some were done in acrylic paint. Some were done in markers. Some were done in pen and ink. And a variety of things were used. Okay. And the reason I ask is because I'm a professional illustrator. And I did, when I was working, would have been in the 80s and early 90s, I was working a lot in advertising and I did a lot of magic marker work. Right. So you recognize that. Yeah. So that was very, I was like, ooh, I see where he's coming from. So I had to ask. That was one of the questions. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Because really, I mean, I, that's mostly what I've done in the film industry for many years was I did, you know, miniatures and I did designs for storyboards and sets and things like that. And I would use magic markers all the time. Yeah, as did I. Yeah. So, great. Hey, this has been delightful. Now, I has. I would like to put the request out. And at some point, I would love to do a, if it works out, some sort of session where I could connect with Bashar himself in the same format where... I don't channel over the wire. I don't channel over the phone. I don't channel in this way. The channelings have to be in person, just the way I do it. Oh, okay. So, fair enough. That I actually respect that greatly because, um, So, you know, because I would, I was, there are questions that, um, the listenership would have, uh, as far as, um, you know, the people that, that are, I feel that are in the same, uh, same boat I am or on the same path that I am. Certainly. Well, and I mean, and another way to do that is to also simply gather some of those questions, some of which I can probably answer on my own. And some of which I asked during this interview. Right. And some of which we can probably ask Bashar at a different. event, because we do sometimes do that. We have people, uh, email questions or phone in questions, and then we, we compile those questions.

Well, and I mean, and another way to do that is to also simply gather some of those questions, some of which I can probably answer on my own. And some of which I asked during this interview. Right. And some of which we can probably ask Bashar at a different. event, because we do sometimes do that. We have people, uh, email questions or phone in questions, and then we, we compile those questions. And from time to time in some certain public events or even private sessions, we actually then go down that list of questions, uh, to get them answered and, and put those out either in the public sessions or are on special CDs that are specifically about answering questions that people don't have a chance to ask in person. Great. Great. Hey, this has been wonderful. It has been great. Thank you, Mike. I really appreciate it very much. It's been fun. Yes. And as far as the channeled voices that I have been researching and listening to and studying and reading, I feel like you, or you, let's say, Bashar, your channeled voice, is one of the good ones. I feel like there's been some profound lessons that I've taken away from that. And I will do, what I plan to do is link some YouTube videos right on the show notes when I, when I post this so that people can click on that and then, and then from there do some of their own research. Yeah, and please by all means ask them also to visit the Bashar.org website where they will see all of the recordings that we've got and many DVDs and CDs are available there as well. And if they're willing to help support us that way, then it will help us get more and more Bashar information out to people in a variety of ways. Great. Well, have a wonderful afternoon. I will do that, and you will do the same I hope to. Good. And I will, less than a week from now, I will see Kim Carlsberg at a UFO conference in Arizona. In Arizona, that's right. Well, please give her my best, and I will talk to you in the future. Thank you so much. Bye now. Thanks. Bye-bye.