Symbolic Meaning (Part 1 of 3)

We will begin this interaction this evening of your time with the idea that each and every one of you as you are continuing with the idea with the idea of your own transformation of your lives in your own way, according to your own methodologies, according to your own perspectives, according to what in your terms makes sense to you the ideas and the avenues, the ideas and the avenues, to pursue, so to speak, pursue with regard to your own understanding of more and more of yourself, your own spiritual growth, your own cognition of your own connections to much more of yourself in this way, simply recognize that as you endeavor to create these scenarios in your lives that represent the ideas you desire to be, you are surrounding yourselves, of course, with many ideas of symbolical meaning, symbolical notation, importance to you. Validity. Meaning. In this way, simply recognize that many of the ideas you are exploring, because of the world you have created for yourselves, because of the world you are changing from, many of you will still find that you may relate to the change in the symbols that you are used to using from the world you are changing from, not so much the symbols that you will use in the world you are changing too, but in this way you can recognize that your symbols are taking on different meanings. You do not have to apply all of the meanings that used to be attached to the symbols you used to use, even though they may seem to be the same symbol. They do not necessarily, though they may be the same external symbols, necessarily carry any more, the same internal meaning. Many of the ideas, therefore, that you may come up against, so to speak, that may make you feel as if you are getting nowhere when you see the reenactment of the same symbols over and over and over again is simply because you are putting a certain meaning according to those symbols the way you have always thought of them and not allowing yourself to begin to redefine that those symbols can now be representative of a totally new way of perceiving your reality. It is simply that you think that one symbol can only stand for one thing, when in fact a symbol can have a multitude of meanings according to how you now think of yourself. Therefore, do not allow yourselves in this way to necessarily. fairly feel that just because you may be allowing yourself to feel that you are repeating ideas, going through cycles over and over again of repetition, that it is actually a cycle of repetition. It is simply an opportunity for you to recognize that as you change, as you grow, as you evolve, so to speak, you may give yourself the opportunity to view an idea from many different perspectives, many different points of view.

fairly feel that just because you may be allowing yourself to feel that you are repeating ideas, going through cycles over and over again of repetition, that it is actually a cycle of repetition. It is simply an opportunity for you to recognize that as you change, as you grow, as you evolve, so to speak, you may give yourself the opportunity to view an idea from many different perspectives, many different points of view. Now, in that way, the only thing that makes it seem as if you are not getting anywhere is continuing to judge that those differing what are actually different points of view are all the same points of view over and over again because the symbol itself does not necessarily change that much, but it is up to you to recognize that the symbol is only a shell and in and of itself carries no built-in intrinsic meaning. It is you that give all the meaning to the symbol. This is your opportunity to recognize how malleable your symbols are and how you can fill the shell of a symbol with a totally different substance, a totally different meaning than it formerly contained to allow yourself to recognize it is not so much that the idea of your physiological world has to change that radically in order for an internal change to be very, very different in this way. So this can assist you and allow you to recognize that you do not have to seek the massive change that you desire in your externalized symbol, but simply in how it is you now define the ideas that will for a while remain a part of your physical reality as long as you have. have decided to be physical. You will see very, very abrupt physiological changes going on in your world. But during this time of transformation, recognize that more often than not, most of the changes will be internalized first. Not so much that you need to look for an externalized symbol as a proof that things are changing within you. But in this way, do recognize you will get externalized changes as soon as you are willing to redefine whatever the externalized symbols are that are appearing in your life. succumb, so to speak, to the belief that you are only repeating ideas that you do not want to live anymore, is your opportunity to recognize that a shell is only a shell, only an illusion. And it takes its form, it takes its substance from what you are willing to define the experience as that. Filling that shell with a new definition, with a new substance is what will allow the formerly thought of, formerly held, formerly defined shell to be able to change, but it changes from the inside out, not from the outside in. You follow me here. Shurring! Yes!

shell is only a shell, only an illusion. And it takes its form, it takes its substance from what you are willing to define the experience as that. Filling that shell with a new definition, with a new substance is what will allow the formerly thought of, formerly held, formerly defined shell to be able to change, but it changes from the inside out, not from the outside in. You follow me here. Shurring! Yes! The, another thing was driving down an alley, and part of it was aware that every little so often, it was a new scene. It wasn't just a continuous motion, but it was broken like a stroke effect. Hey! This comes to me. Okay, and every scene is like a snap, you know, another inch and another inch is moving along. What is the, is there an actual timing of the physical universe, what is it like a million from a second or some number like that? Can it be equated that way? In a sense it can be, but in this way you will find it will fluctuate to some degree depending upon your perspective and how it is you are creating your particular point of view of what is going on, for to recognize that the more you live in a moment, the less time. the less time you create in that sense. Therefore, the less fluctuations that you have in that way. It can be measured in the millions and what you call the billions of seconds in that way. Even infinite speeds can be measured in that sense, because you understand that the idea of all the flickers that you experience as you're on time in this particular reality, in between those moments exists the flickers of every other parallel reality that exists. You follow me. In this way, therefore, recognize, it is not so much that it can be measured in precise increments, but it is in that way rather infinite in speed, though there is a pulsation to it. Okay. If one were to accelerate the assumption, could one make it appear as though it's one frame at a time, could it speak? You can, if that serves the purpose, eh? Although recognized, once again, the idea of living in the moment will be that you will not create as much time, and so you will perceive that things are moving quite rapid. on moving quite rapidly. Another variation of the idea that you have already expressed upon your planet that time flies when you are having some. Understand it is not that time is accelerating. You are not creating as much of it when you live in the moment, in the now, in the present. Yeah, well, does that mean, what do you mean by in the present? Does that mean including... Many times, what's the moment do you mean by you?

variation of the idea that you have already expressed upon your planet that time flies when you are having some. Understand it is not that time is accelerating. You are not creating as much of it when you live in the moment, in the now, in the present. Yeah, well, does that mean, what do you mean by in the present? Does that mean including... Many times, what's the moment do you mean by you? Many times allowing yourself to simply recognize that every single moment of time you experience is its own, as you have just been sharing, its own moment, its own reality, just as valid, just as insightful, just as experiential, just as much of a learning experience as any other moment, then you will not strive. not strive to achieve future moments because you will know that any other moment you will ever experience is not going to be better than the one you are experiencing now, just different. In this way, many times you will find that because of the way you have thought of time and space, that the phenomena you have described, the apparent slowing down or freezing of a moment, can occur when you are all of time and space, that the phenomena you have described that the apparent slowing down or freezing of a moment can occur when you are in fact completely absorbed in that moment. It will seem to be one eternal moment, which is what it is. What could you define as a state or an individual could by will transport itself from one space or one time to another? Is that a particular? Is there any type of mastership or something where that is said to be an ability or? In a sense, but it's simply all of takes is the idea of the cognization of the frequency of any other idea that represents another universe. the automatic cognition of that frequency will place you in that universe. So what is it that makes someone, what's the difference between those that can do it and those that can't? Agreement. Timing. You have a reason for being where you are and staying there. When it serves you to be that flexible, you will be. Simply recognize that if it is that flexible, you will be. Simply recognize that if it is a reason. something that excites you. Keep yourself open to the possibility that it could occur at any moment. Yes. I've heard the categories of levels of being as Christ was like an A3 or an 815, is that heavy meaning to do in terms of a... Not to us. Yeah. It may too the individuals doing the labeling, but it is only labeling. It is only a perspective to allow the individual to, in this way, have created a reference point for themselves. that they require for their own understanding of their perspective of their lives.

the categories of levels of being as Christ was like an A3 or an 815, is that heavy meaning to do in terms of a... Not to us. Yeah. It may too the individuals doing the labeling, but it is only labeling. It is only a perspective to allow the individual to, in this way, have created a reference point for themselves. that they require for their own understanding of their perspective of their lives. But it has no meaning in and of itself other than what the individual gives it. Do recognize that, in a sense, from within the so-called hierarchy, there is no hierarchy. Only from the idea of something that considers itself to be separate from the rest of the The rest of all that is, is the creation of levels and hierarchy a part of that reality. You've mentioned that an individual is the reality they are creating. Okay. There are, there, I've had an experience, and I've talked you about this before, of being not only in the experience, but being outside as a remote viewpoint as well. Okay. You can create that illusion. Okay. But, uh... In other words, viewing myself, isn't that in a sense, the higher self? Can be, in a sense. In a sense. It is still part of the overall creation. No matter how many perspectives define it, it is still one overall point of view. Well, I've oriented my, I guess, comparisons or such, by how many actual steps outside I can be in I can be in and also outside. All right. That labeling has meaning for you, and that is your unique way of understanding the reality that you are. For you, it is valid. Part of me has a fear of getting totally committed to an idea to the exclusion of other experiences. Why would you exclude any experience that is necessary for you to be the idea you chose to be? You are simply not understanding your own terminology. In this sense, you are, by definition, not able to exclude an idea that needs to be there to support the idea you are. You cannot, in that sense, moves track of anything that has to do with being there as a necessary support mechanism to be the idea you are. Whatever it is you are experiencing, that is what you need to be. That is what you need to be experiencing. Whatever you are not experiencing, you do not need it. If you need it, you will experience it. Is it considered in your, at your point of view or your level, of a, a remote point of view being inside... All points of view are equal. All. All. All. But that doesn't answer the question. Yes, it does. We do not consider any particular point of view any wiser than any other. It is what it is, because that is what you have created yourself to be.

need it, you will experience it. Is it considered in your, at your point of view or your level, of a, a remote point of view being inside... All points of view are equal. All. All. All. But that doesn't answer the question. Yes, it does. We do not consider any particular point of view any wiser than any other. It is what it is, because that is what you have created yourself to be. Therefore, the point of view you have is the only perfect point of view for you at that time. All right, so I'm talking to multiple puts with, having being a source and being a not source. I think you are missing the point. The idea of being multiple is one idea, one point of view, that may contain many things. fragment definition, but in an overall sense, it is still one point of view. The point of view of experiencing multiplicity is one point of view. Okay, I have not looking. Thank you. Thank you. Sure. In your opening, you talked about changing an externalized circle. You can give you some examples of that in my life? In this way, once again, you may always use the foundational understanding of my life. the foundational understanding that no situation has built in meaning. Everything is fundamentally neutral until you supply the meaning. Thus, the meaning you supply to a situation is the effect you get out of it. You follow me. And I follow that part of this. Therefore, again, the analogy that we have used many times, in this sense, the idea of attempting to be on time to catch a vehicle, to go somewhere. And in your terms, you miss the vehicle. Now, the neutrality of the situation is that the vehicle is moving to its next destination and you are simply not on it. That is all there is to it. That is the only thing that defines the situation in that way. Now, whatever meaning you decide to give to it as a symbol for you, negative and or positive, may determine in that way what the experience is that you have as an outcome. If you determine that it was a negative symbol in that way, then you perhaps will blind yourself to opportunities that were there for you in a positive way. Perhaps the idea, as we have said, that if you decide it is a negative event, you will be blinded by your judgment and your frustration and your rage and go stomping off to complain to somebody about it. Perhaps having missed the idea that a friend of yours you have not seen in 10 years has just stepped off of that vehicle. And if you had given it a positive idea, perhaps you would have seen them and perhaps that friend could have met you with exactly what you needed to the idea that you are going to travel 200 miles for in the first place.

off to complain to somebody about it. Perhaps having missed the idea that a friend of yours you have not seen in 10 years has just stepped off of that vehicle. And if you had given it a positive idea, perhaps you would have seen them and perhaps that friend could have met you with exactly what you needed to the idea that you are going to travel 200 miles for in the first place. You did not have to travel any longer because the idea of your friends stepping off of that train or whatever vehicle has given you the idea. If you were willing to simply understand that the vehicle has left for a good reason and in your terms will serve some purpose for you, then you will utilize the symbol in a positive way and not the negative way you may have formally decided to imbue it with. You follow me? Will that have been an assistant to you? Thank you. Hi. That reminds me. When we met with you, Carrie and her mother and I, and you gave the analogy of missing a train. Hey. And if you judge there's negative or his or whatever, you might be a friend because you missed it. And I wanted you know that we had that excerpt on our answering machine and that was a funny and saying because it elicited very definite responses. Some people who didn't receive. Some people had no idea who it was. Some people thought it was an actor. Some people thought it was an actor. I mean, they had no idea who was what it was. But it was great because I learned a lot about the individuals because of their responses. Thank you for your creativity. Yes. And, um, um, no, I'm nothing to say. Thank you. Sarah. I read an article recently of a so-called communication. that was received jointly by a Russian and American radio receivers for the radio waves of space or civilization. And the methods that had been interpreted, according to them, was something along the lines of urgent. We are in peril. We are in time, 159.061, forget the exact number. We are in 12. We are 4th galaxy, attempting to get the 12th galaxy, attempting to get the 12th galaxy that has been a explosion, please help out. Um, could you explain, like, I don't know, could you explain how something like this took happened where there would be trapped in time, it wouldn't be able to progress? In this way, do recognize that many civilizations are still utilizing, no matter how, quote, unquote, advanced you may think they are, ideas that involve the idea of limitation, the utilization of the materiality of the universe, and in this way, like many, incidents there can be within an individual and need to experience a so-called accident in that way.

took happened where there would be trapped in time, it wouldn't be able to progress? In this way, do recognize that many civilizations are still utilizing, no matter how, quote, unquote, advanced you may think they are, ideas that involve the idea of limitation, the utilization of the materiality of the universe, and in this way, like many, incidents there can be within an individual and need to experience a so-called accident in that way. The methodology may simply be that the field that, let us say, isolates a craft from any particular universe in that way, may undergo a type of fluctuation that will allow them to exist in a quasi-planar reality, so to speak, half-way in and halfway out, of any solidification. You follow me? In this case, however, what you are referring to does not specifically refer to such an incident. This is something that stems more from your own civilization. Yes and no. Let us say it is a conglomerate idea between individuals upon your planet to explore semi-consciously, mostly subconsciously, desires, reading patterns into energies that represent ideas they wish to share, but that in and of themselves do not necessarily represent an event in what you would call real time. Right, right, okay. Another thing I'd like to bring up is the, I know what you call it, the anti-gravity device that could have adjusted. I'm interested in filming that, I don't know how much I have to capture with it, but can you give me any pointers on what, where I could stand or the sort of thing I might be able to capture on video? It seems that if whatever's going to happen is going to go over very quickly. In this way, at least. In this way, at least. 10 of your feet distance. Right. That is all. Okay. Shurray! Mr. Scott? Hey! I just wanted to say that on Saturday, my next-door neighbor drew me, it needed to borrow some stamps, and then quickly drew me into a conversation to ask me questions about changes in her life and her job was probably going to be ending. going to be ending. And so I had the opportunity to share with her a lot of information that I have gleaned out of these. Thank you. This is why we discussed this very event last night of your time. Yeah. And I just wanted to say that it was really an extremely pleasant opportunity to have the chance to feed that knowledge that I have picked up back out to her and to thank you for your... We thank each and every one of you! of you for being such lovely opportunity sharing Can you reflect the legend low and energy and what the connection? Not at this time. There are other ideas that must become cohesive first from other individuals, other levels of consciousness and other discoveries within certain individuals upon your world before we.

knowledge that I have picked up back out to her and to thank you for your... We thank each and every one of you! of you for being such lovely opportunity sharing Can you reflect the legend low and energy and what the connection? Not at this time. There are other ideas that must become cohesive first from other individuals, other levels of consciousness and other discoveries within certain individuals upon your world before we. are in a place to share that stream of consciousness within our interactions with you. Good. Thank you. Do you have an idea of when that might be appropriate? More during what you would call the 11th, the 12th, and the first month. I'll put someone asking for a while. And what you call next? What about that? These are some of the connections that must continue. There will be an increase in that energy during that last of what you call the three-month period to go through the gate of the transformation into your new year. There will be much attached to the understanding of nature and what might have been once referred to as druidic manifestations. Okay. I have two questions. All right. One question is, I have a personal conflict. Conflict. Conflict. Why? An opportunity. Yes, it is an opportunity. All right. No conflict then. The opportunity is to understand a decision-making process. Decision-making process. And at the same time we are and at the same time respecting someone else's needs. All right. If you are functioning within the idea of integrity, if you know that everything is synchronicity, if you act like everything you interact with, there is a reason for interacting with it, then you will allow yourself to simply know that any so-called decision that needs to be made will be obvious. You do not require a process nor a conflict. You will simply understand that whatever presents itself to you as an opportunity to act upon what excites you the most within your integrity. Take it. That is what it is there for. You are not responsible for anyone else. You are responsible to them by functioning with your integrity and being the fullest person you know yourself to be by doing what you know to be true for you, while knowing you are as powerful as you need to be to have anything you desire without having to hurt anyone else to get it. You follow me. What is true. Right. A while back, in looking at biblical stories as an opportunity to learn from, I had looked at the story of Adam and Ian. A. As the binding of the apple, as Eve has been said to do, as humans biting on sexuality and reproduction and keeping them tie to the material plane. To some degree, it is. it is analogous to one of those ideas, very perceptive.

You follow me. What is true. Right. A while back, in looking at biblical stories as an opportunity to learn from, I had looked at the story of Adam and Ian. A. As the binding of the apple, as Eve has been said to do, as humans biting on sexuality and reproduction and keeping them tie to the material plane. To some degree, it is. it is analogous to one of those ideas, very perceptive. I have, my discovery I'm trying to make is, is the discovery I'm in the process of making for myself, is, as a woman, I have a little confusion about if it's appropriate to have children, or if it's appropriate. Yeah, appropriate because, appropriate because our plans, these days, in some ways it's very overwhelming. Who's planet? The planet on which I'm living. Who? It's once no one. But it is yours. Each and every one of you, in a sense, while you are together on one planet, live on your own planet independently. And respectfully. What is the planet to you? What are you choosing to buy into? into in terms of other beliefs, or can you simply allow the planet you live on to be representative of what you know to be true for you? Do you follow me? I miss you. All right. I'll come back. Your planet is not overpopulated. You simply have not utilized the room that you have. You follow me? Yes. Your planet is undergoing many transformations. Whether you decide that they are going to be positive or negative depends upon what you wish to make of a fundamentally neutral observation or situation. So what kind of a world do you live on? What kind of a world will you, if you decide to have children, bring children into? It will be the world you decide to live and make an agreement with them to bear them into, not a world you are at the mercy of, because then you are only believing in victimhood and not believing in your own self-empowerment to experience the world you desire and you prefer. No matter what anyone else is living, you will experience what you know to be true for you, unless you choose to buy into someone else's belief about what the world is supposed to be. You follow me. Yes, but I don't know if you're following me. Proceed. So my confusion about having children is the opportunities I see before me in devoting my energy to being a healer and spending my time learning that role versus... Learning the role. Are you a healer or not? Yes. All right then. Expending my skills. All right. Versus spending the time raising a child. Why are you separating the child? Why are you separating this? two. I advise you to be chosen to separate them. All right.

confusion about having children is the opportunities I see before me in devoting my energy to being a healer and spending my time learning that role versus... Learning the role. Are you a healer or not? Yes. All right then. Expending my skills. All right. Versus spending the time raising a child. Why are you separating the child? Why are you separating this? two. I advise you to be chosen to separate them. All right. Do you think that the idea of a child at this time would not allow you to be the idea of a hero? Sometimes. All right. Then simply recognize this. Why would you have one if it didn't fit the idea you are being? How would you even be able to have one? you have one if it didn't fit the idea you were being. You would not make such an agreement. No spirit would make such an agreement with you. Therefore, you would not have one if it did not fit the idea you are being. You follow me? So what decision needs to be made? If you are an idea and the supporting of that idea does not contain the notion of needing a child, you will not have one. If you do have one, then that in and of itself is a sign. is a sign that it can occur and still allow you to be a healer. And perhaps it even is part of the idea of being a healer. You follow me? So relax. Your agreements in this way will only result in the physical manifestation of the reality that supports you in the idea you have chosen to be in this life. Nothing will ever go against the grain. The universe does not do pointless and extraneous things. You follow me. Only you have the ability to think that it does and create the illusion that it is so. But it is only an illusion. It is only a lack of willingness to understand that everything that occurs in your reality is a part of the path you chose to be and cannot, by definition, be an interruption in it. Nothing can be where it doesn't belong. If something is there, it is an indication that there are beliefs that have invited it to be there. Therefore, it belongs according to the belief that you have. Thank you. Yes! There's something happening here in the state of California and also to make us all right. Mexico, Florida, Paris, Mexico, that's like that. There is an inordinate amount of immigrants from the south, from Central America, from Europe, from Asia, and the Orient, that are crossing the border in California. It is not inordinate, according to the idea of the blendings and the removal of borders that you are creating in your transformation. Well, I understand. I understand. because there is quite a little talk about it. All right. And in a sense, it is blending.

like that. There is an inordinate amount of immigrants from the south, from Central America, from Europe, from Asia, and the Orient, that are crossing the border in California. It is not inordinate, according to the idea of the blendings and the removal of borders that you are creating in your transformation. Well, I understand. I understand. because there is quite a little talk about it. All right. And in a sense, it is blending. But in a sense, it is also creating separation because there's a lot of antagonism between the... It is not creating separation. Your chosen judgments are creating separation. The people in California are created separation with the people that are coming in. And could you comment on this? It is an opportunity to choose not to create separation. not to create separation. What more is there to say? It's up to you to decide how you will interpret the blending. How do you just to be anti-aginist to see when you just then to realize the chance to increase? Again, you are not responsible for anyone else. Be the idea you know is true for you. And if you allow yourself to become active in those interplays, then perhaps some of you will rub off on some of them. some of them. Oh, yes, you do. So what? What is what? What is your decision? Thank you. It is a matter of not talking about something you want to change but changing yourself and interacting as that idea but changing yourself and interacting as that idea. participating. If you find something to be exciting to get involved with, get involved. If you are just going to talk about it, then do what it is that truly excites you and don't worry about it. Someone else is excited to be involved in it, if not you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My old sister, around on the second to Monday, you said there's a point every day. That is all she required of physical life. Many times, a so-called soul in this way will have ideas about what it wishes to experience in any physical life. Some of these experiences simply do not require much time. That is all there is too. Therefore, that individual put a timing limit all that was necessary. When certain ideas had already been experienced, it finished the balance, it finished the momentum from the last life. That is all that individual needed to round out their experience and to evolve in the way they wish to evolve as a soul. You follow me. Now, our perception is that an individual is or will be soon incarnate again. Because they have completed their cycle before this incarnation, in that way, this incarnate will be for the primary purpose of service. Can you tell me if he's an incline or anything? Unclear. If she, has she come back for a more service? To be of service. A.

in the way they wish to evolve as a soul. You follow me. Now, our perception is that an individual is or will be soon incarnate again. Because they have completed their cycle before this incarnation, in that way, this incarnate will be for the primary purpose of service. Can you tell me if he's an incline or anything? Unclear. If she, has she come back for a more service? To be of service. A. In the transformation will be recognized, so to speak, as a soul of life, soul of beast, soul of service. In this way, you recognize that the choice of the methodology of the physical death, what you call drowning, in that sense, is a quote-unquote, relatively peaceful way to exit the body. The feeling is as if you are going to sleep. You follow me. The being will now awaken into light and love. And choose the reincarnation to be of service to bring that light and love to your world. and love to your world. There may be an opportunity for that individual to interact with many other individuals through the symbology of the unconscious, the subconscious, and all the things that represent the idea that is symbolized by water and the fears that may be buried within it for many individuals. That is all. Thank you. For sure. Yes. I saw a tape on Luis Gasparo. And on that tape, he was describing a couple who were attending his clinics. And the wife was having a great deal of anxiety and trouble in her life. And he attributed to the fact that she had psychically opened herself in an individual who had died had not wanted to come to terms of the fact that she had psychically opened herself up and an individual who had not wanted to come to to terms of the fact that he was dead, he had to passed himself to her. Right. But he was creating all these problems for her. Yes. An agreement they made together. Yeah. And he chose to remedy the situation by talking to the individual who had passed away. Yes. Would the woman not be open to that same sort of thing by her not to? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. if they had agreed in that way to form that kind of a coalition for the purpose of allowing that skill to be resurrected in your society. In this way, also to understand that there are many opportunities still left, still remaining in the physical life of that person, to allow themselves to balance out their own understanding of their own self-empowerment and come to terms with their own expressions in life. Simply in this way, what was being done was the idea of the ancient, so to speak, idea of what you now refer to as an exorcist.

in your society. In this way, also to understand that there are many opportunities still left, still remaining in the physical life of that person, to allow themselves to balance out their own understanding of their own self-empowerment and come to terms with their own expressions in life. Simply in this way, what was being done was the idea of the ancient, so to speak, idea of what you now refer to as an exorcist. Or in this way, you will find that the original purpose is as, as we have said, a spirit psychologist who allows the spirit to know they have died and they can go on. What is the spirit experiencing the meaning of a so-called so-called? You know,