Part 1
All right, I'll say, how are you all this evening of your time as you create time to exist? Great. We will begin this interaction this evening of your time by a continuance of an idea that many of you have discussed with us off and on, as you say, many of you in yours, what you labeled to be, searches into the idea of your understanding of the of all that is, usually find yourselves approaching this idea from one generalized direction because of the way you have created your society to be, because of the type of understanding you have created for yourself in your society. When you begin the endeavors of your so-called spiritual search for yourself in this way, you will come upon ideas, questions, and formats that have to do. with the very structure of what you consider to be the universe itself. This, many times within your particular civilization within your society, will bring you, because you are used to asking yourself questions in order to form a foundation for your search, you will bring yourself to the question, well, why? Does the universe exist anywhere? Many of you have shared this idea with us. Now, To begin with, from our point of view, the idea sometimes comes about as a question in the form of, well, what was there before? There was, creation. And from our point of view, creation always was, is now, always will be. Time, the concept of before and after are something that belong within creation and are subject to existence. Existence is not subject to. time. Therefore, in this way, what is? Simply always is. And from your linear timeframe, referential point of view, always has been and always will be, although the term has been and will be are only symbolic reflections of another way to say that it simply always will be is in the now. Always present. You are eternal since you are created from all that is, in a sense, you have always been. have always been, are now and always will be, not necessarily the idea within a time frame reference of the particular fragment you call yourself now. But the overall idea of your consciousness always exists. You are eternal since you are made out of eternity. Now the idea of answering, so to speak, the question of, well, why is there existence anywhere, can in a sense be answered, but you may find that when you begin to involve yourself in forming a relationship to things that are dealing with what you call fundamental, the basic, very generalized, fundamental, the primary foundations of existence, then the answers will tend to become more and more and more simple. But it is not so much that there isn't, so to speak, an answer to that question.
Part 2
is there existence anywhere, can in a sense be answered, but you may find that when you begin to involve yourself in forming a relationship to things that are dealing with what you call fundamental, the basic, very generalized, fundamental, the primary foundations of existence, then the answers will tend to become more and more and more simple. But it is not so much that there isn't, so to speak, an answer to that question. Simply, it is that the answer is so simple you have overlooked it, because you do not think that that degree of simplicity represents anything real to you. Now, we can give simply our point of view as to the idea of why existence exists, to begin with, but we will share with you that we may recognize because we are to some familiar with the ideas you have created, the point of view I have created, the way you look at things in your society, we might be able to, let us say, imagine that you may or may not find this to be in your eyes an over simplification, but that will simply have to be the way it is, if that is the case for you. Therefore, you may recognize the idea like this. When you ask yourself the question, well, why? does it exist? You are making an assumption that there is only one side to exist. In this way, you simply ask the question because you think that it was possible for everything to not have existed. But recognize you are making the assumption that non-existence is not something that is real. In this way, recognize that there is both existence and non-existence. They both occur at the same time, so who speak, to be colloquial in your language. It is not necessarily a matter that the universe either could have existed or not existed. Both realities are present. There is existence and non-existence. However, the reason you do not recognize the idea that both exist simultaneously side by side is that now you are dealing with the very fundamental fact foundational reference point itself. And when you deal on that level, so to speak, what you are dealing with forms its own definitive reality. In other words, it defined itself. Therefore, simply recognize it is not that existence and non-existence are not both real, but by definition existence is the only thing that can exist, non-existence doesn't exist. doesn't exist. That does not mean it is not real. It simply means that by definition, non-existence doesn't exist. Therefore, it is not part of what you perceive to be as existence. You cannot imagine non-existent. In your reality, the only definition that you have is your perception of your participation in existence, because that is the only reality that allows you to have a perception. a perception. Non-existence by definition does not allow there to be perceptions of itself. It is not that it is not real.
Part 3
that by definition, non-existence doesn't exist. Therefore, it is not part of what you perceive to be as existence. You cannot imagine non-existent. In your reality, the only definition that you have is your perception of your participation in existence, because that is the only reality that allows you to have a perception. a perception. Non-existence by definition does not allow there to be perceptions of itself. It is not that it is not real. It is not that it did not come into fruition, quote unquote, at the same time as existence. It is not that the universe could have gone one way or another to exist or to not exist. Both are real. They are the primary polarities in that way. But on that level, they are only what their definition says they are. And they are. And since the definition of non-existence is that it does not exist, you cannot experience it. Therefore, you are simply experiencing the side that says you can experience it. That is all there is to it. You follow me. Sure. Is that what down on? No. Once again, even nothing is something. is something. You have no ability, no one does, has any ability to even conceive of non-existence. If you were able to and then came back into existence, you never know you have been gone. For you do not have the apparatus to know where it was, you weren't. You follow me. Therefore, any concept that you find in your reality, no matter what depth you give it, no matter how it feels experientially perhaps to be like a void or like nothingness, it is still something and it is still a part of existence simply because you can define it. You can experience it. It is something to you. It has a label. You follow me. But is it too? We are non-existent every other second or every other. No, no, no, not really. The idea was simply an analogy as we have defined the parallel universes in your time frame reference viewpoint. The idea. that you, let it say, flicker on and off, but it is not that you so much flicker into non-existence, you simply flicker into other parallel realities, which from this point of view, you do not consider to be real. You follow me. Is that, like the Hindu talks about the day and the night of the distance to millions of years and the outweaving of God. A. A. Is that the true perspective? It is valid for them. It is valid for them. But once again, it is not truly non-existence. If they can describe it, it is not truly non-existence. If you even have a label for the concept, then it is only a symbol, one step removed from true non-existence. It is not the non-existence itself that they can experience or talk about. It is only the symbol of non-existence. You follow me. Okay.
Part 4
true perspective? It is valid for them. It is valid for them. But once again, it is not truly non-existence. If they can describe it, it is not truly non-existence. If you even have a label for the concept, then it is only a symbol, one step removed from true non-existence. It is not the non-existence itself that they can experience or talk about. It is only the symbol of non-existence. You follow me. Okay. And are we about to reach the end of the expansion cycle? What expansion cycle? Your universe? Your universe. Your universe? Yeah. Do you mean physiologically? Yeah. No. But that does not really cycle that way? Oh, it can. Many universes do. But you can also find that there is one idea that your scientists have not yet realized regarding what they call entropy in terms of recycling, so to speak. It is this. this. Many individuals in your society believe that rather than contracting the ideas that your universe will eventually become homogenous, do you follow me? What you call entropy? Do you follow me? In a sense, they usually refer to it in your society as the idea of temperature. They say that once, let me phrase it this way. Your scientist perceived that all interactions are able to be interactions because they occur from or between states of being that are different. That is how you know there is an interaction. Because something goes from something that is different to something that is different. The idea, as they express entropy in the universe, is that they are speculating there will come a time in what you call many of your millions and or billions. billions of years where everything will in a sense burn out, die out, no more atomic activity, no more interactions, everything will become a homogeneous soup of energy. All of the same level, all of the same temperature, you follow me. Now, at that point many of them speculate, well, that is the end of the physiological universe. No possibility for the idea of contraction. No. possibility for the idea of reforming order out of this homogenous state of nothingness. But in this way, what they are missing is that it is still, in a sense, able to contract, so to speak. Because once something reaches a state of complete and total homogenousness, that also means that so does space and so does time. Once something reaches a state where you cannot tell if time is going forward or backward, then it could just as easily be conceived as going backward. And as soon as it is equal to the idea that it could be either forward as you count time or backward, it can become backward and the universe can reassemble itself.
Part 5
of complete and total homogenousness, that also means that so does space and so does time. Once something reaches a state where you cannot tell if time is going forward or backward, then it could just as easily be conceived as going backward. And as soon as it is equal to the idea that it could be either forward as you count time or backward, it can become backward and the universe can reassemble itself. So it is like passing through an entropy doorway, perhaps in a sense a softer transition than many any of your scientists believe with the idea of there being more than enough gravity to simply draw all the material back, but a contraction nonetheless, a cycle nonetheless. But all of those ideas of the physiological cycle, whether you create your universe to be one that expands and contracts rhythmically in that way, or goes through the entropy state, these ideas as you count time are in your terms many millions of years off. You follow me. You follow me. Yeah. And what happens then, you said when you kind of kind of an idea about what you'd like you're in and out as you say? It is simply the idea. Like you are familiar with your device, your radio, okay? It is simply the idea that you are switching the dial back and forth across all the frequencies, hearing bits of this tune, bits of that voice here and there. You are simply generating a frequency at which you are doing this. And the idea is that any one of those individuals, individual frequencies only considers itself to be real or solid for the time it is switched on and does not perceive all of the other frequencies. Not that it can't, but it simply has designed itself only to pay attention to the frequency upon which it exists. Therefore, it has only considered itself to be real in that sense. That does not mean all the other frequencies are not real, but they simply take turns experiencing their own individual reality. You follow me. So it's not flickering into that. Yes. Yes. Okay. And then when Nilemon was talking about the novel, did he, basically just using their, that word for their description of subconscious, your conscious of those aspects of reality or not normal conscious. Okay. So that's why he just called that was good to decide that. Right. It is an experience, and symbols are not the experience. It's a experience. It's a... Thank you. Yes. Can that which exists happen in not existing? No. Again, the idea is that what exists carries the idea of existence as what it is. In that way, there is transformation within existence, but all transformation takes place within the idea of existence. What is, is by definition. definition. What is not is not. But all that is always will be. What is? You follow me? Yes. Thank you. Yes.
Part 6
It's a... Thank you. Yes. Can that which exists happen in not existing? No. Again, the idea is that what exists carries the idea of existence as what it is. In that way, there is transformation within existence, but all transformation takes place within the idea of existence. What is, is by definition. definition. What is not is not. But all that is always will be. What is? You follow me? Yes. Thank you. Yes. So is what the last thing to conceive it is considered to be as they have not exist? Oh, not necessarily. For again, it simply may be a matter of the idea that you are creating your particular universe to be relatively limited in terms of its ability to conceive what does exist. Now. That may mean it does not have materialization within your particular idea of your universe, but that does not mean it does not exist within all that is. In its sense, everything is transformation of all that is, into other states of all that is. It is. It is not exactly from non-existence. It may be from nothing, but not from non-existence. Nothing may be referred to as some sort of homogenous potential energy state that has no form. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thomas Aquinas, the philosopher, had a law called a law potentiality where we stated that. That would can be. but is not yet here. Yes. And basically that can be explained by what you're talking about. In a sense. Anything you can imagine must somewhere be a reality, or you wouldn't be able to conceive of it. Because you cannot imagine non-existence. In another area, when people talk of old souls and new souls, they try to give them a chronology for it. As I'm understanding it. it would just be a person's character that he was assigned to himself that somebody else could perceive or that he would perceive in someone else being an old soul who had been around a certain sign for a long third of time more than somebody else. It is simply the frequency vibration that may translate into your particular reality as what you call old or new. Right. But all souls are the same age, which is ageless. Eternal. Right. Can I ask something else? There is a new book by what? Wendell Stephen, who was writing the Caribbean book, and it was called Contact Control. K-O-L-D-A-S, I believe, in South Africa, around 1974. And these people stated to their contact, there was an anti-matter universe that their, I think their system came from, and that they had taken up a group of scientists at that time on a little celestial tour, apparently, and asked them if they wanted to have have Earth join in confederation. And the scientist said, no, they have a few. I haven't read the book that this is just word of information. But do you know anything about that? There is such a realm.
Part 7
anti-matter universe that their, I think their system came from, and that they had taken up a group of scientists at that time on a little celestial tour, apparently, and asked them if they wanted to have have Earth join in confederation. And the scientist said, no, they have a few. I haven't read the book that this is just word of information. But do you know anything about that? There is such a realm. But in this way, we will find that some of the information is more symbolic than literal to our perception. They said there was the Earth's counterpart in this anti-matter universe that's called Epicon. And it seems to indicate we also would have counterfeit. part in that universe as well. This is likely, but you have many parallel realities in many different universes. There is the idea you call anti-matter realm, so to speak, negative energy realm in that way, and there are counterparts there. Again, the definitions may simply be symbolic of something that is pertinent to your civilization. Thank you. Yes. What are we on? What are we on a particular subject? I have been told that electronic watch will upset the magnetic field of a body. If it is within your fundamental belief system that the idea of your electromagnetic field can be disrupted by other electromagnetic fields, and it is a primary fundamental mass consciousness belief to some extent, then it is very likely that you can create that type of aberration in your oric field. It does not have to occur. It is likely that there will always be some perturbation of your oric field by any other electromagnetic field to some extent. Simply because you are interacting as a series of electromagnetic field. It is a fundamental vibratory belief system within your reality. This does not necessarily mean that it always has to be as negative you might think. But there can be interaction, yes. The way to get around, that's the way you're watching the right hand, You can also simply not wear a watch, since you are always now anywhere. Oh, it does exist because you created to exist. But you do regulate its flow. Thank you. You! I've got a little idea that I could explain it. The first one is, why is that on the first one? that our personality seems to be many times in opposition to our higher self. Now you know the answer to this one already. Is it added for growth? In its sense it can be, but simply once again what type of society are you in the habit of creating? One that has forgotten that it is its own higher sense. Therefore, one that does not remember it is in control of its reality, Therefore, one that may seem to set up scenarios in which it appears to be in opposition to any definition you would give to a higher sense.
Part 8
added for growth? In its sense it can be, but simply once again what type of society are you in the habit of creating? One that has forgotten that it is its own higher sense. Therefore, one that does not remember it is in control of its reality, Therefore, one that may seem to set up scenarios in which it appears to be in opposition to any definition you would give to a higher sense. Because many times the idea of the society, the reality you have created, allows you to be able to conceive that what you call your negative ego is what is creating the idea of the energy that you use. Rather than simply recognizing that the energy is your consciousness, that the negative ego, in this way is not what creates consciousness. It is consciousness that creates the negative ego. So in that consciousness, are we referring to higher consciousness? What you may term higher, yes, but what we would prefer to simply recognize as one consciousness. The quote-unquote habit of continuing to think that you are a lower consciousness that has a higher consciousness that has a higher consciousness is what continues to be the opportunity for you to create seeming discrepancies between the two levels because you create two levels to exist so they can have discrepancies. Okay, how does the principle of the extreme work in the sense of that one consciousness? It is a reflection to some degree, like many other tools, recognizing certain patterns within the math consciousness. Now, some of these patterns because, again, of the separations you have created may be instilled within the mass sub or the mass un-consciousness, but recognitions of the mass consciousness vibration agreements they are to some extent nonetheless. So how does it, the pattern, it's just a symbol that's reflected? In a sense, let us say, it is a symbolic way to read the contract that you have made with a. everyone. To recognize the overlapping patterns and interaction that you have agreed to have with everyone. It is one way to reflect these ideas. To yourself, there are many tools. Hmm, that's interesting. I have a curious question. How do you... A curious question. And I'm a curiosity that I'm going to try to put into a question. Try? A curiosity, you are going to try to put into a question. Okay, here it goes. Okay, here it goes. My mind. How do you perceive? How could you describe? Very well, thank you. What? What? What? Mostly as feeling. Mostly as interaction, connection. In a sense. In a sense, what you would call, as we have said holographically. We see the idea or perceive the eye, or feel the idea of you as a conglomerate of interaction, even though we do recognize you have your own signature vibrations.
Part 9
it goes. Okay, here it goes. My mind. How do you perceive? How could you describe? Very well, thank you. What? What? What? Mostly as feeling. Mostly as interaction, connection. In a sense. In a sense, what you would call, as we have said holographically. We see the idea or perceive the eye, or feel the idea of you as a conglomerate of interaction, even though we do recognize you have your own signature vibrations. So you do see the interactions, say, of the individual, and then you also can see the interactions that they are connected with their mass consciousness and other... In a sense, although, perhaps to clarify the idea, it is recognized It is recognizing the definition of all of the interactions that you are. That gives us the ability to recognize you as an individual. Let us say we recognize you by your combination code. The combination of all the interactions you are being gives rise to the individual you consider yourself to be. Follow me. So how do I like that? So how do I translate as an individual that is connected in many different ways, and recognizing many of the connections, and recognizing not some of them. But this is, as we will say, not to be the meaning, typical of your society at this time. But in this way, we do not define the idea of how we perceive you to make a judgment upon it or a comparison. So when you ask you to make a judgment upon it, how do we perceive you, we are always going to perceive you as perfect like anything else. Whatever interactions you are choosing to be are the interactions you obviously feel you need to be, or you would be something else. That is how we perceive you. We simply read what we see as the interactions that make you what you are. You follow me. Yeah, I'm trying to, I guess I'm trying to get a visual... Sleep on it. Let's see the visual. Do you remember about the cloud? How did they a cloud chamber? In this way, the idea of the cloud chamber may only cause to confuse. Oh. Okay. See, I always get this image of patterns with waving and spread interconnected. Okay. That will suffice as your symbol of understanding. Suffice it to say that on your own terms you understand. own terms you understand. You have your symbol for it, and your symbol for you is correct. You follow me. So how do you perceive yourself? Much the same way. Although we also allow ourselves to recognize that we are the interactions we are perceiving. That in a sense is the difference, whereas even many times you may perceive the idea of all the interactions you are connected to the different. connected to, we perceive ourselves as the interaction themselves.
Part 10
have your symbol for it, and your symbol for you is correct. You follow me. So how do you perceive yourself? Much the same way. Although we also allow ourselves to recognize that we are the interactions we are perceiving. That in a sense is the difference, whereas even many times you may perceive the idea of all the interactions you are connected to the different. connected to, we perceive ourselves as the interaction themselves. Does that then allow for all of you to be aware of where you are all the time at work? Of course. Because we are each other consciously. As we have said, everything is the same one thing, manifesting in multidimensional aspects simultaneously. aspects simultaneously. Everything is the same one thing. But right now you're sitting here and part of you is discussing new issues with us. The idea that I am contains the aspect or ability to communicate in a fashion that you can conceive of with you. In a sense, however, this is still a part of the interaction. a part of the interaction I am. It is not something separate from me, so to speak, from my point of view. Oh yes, I understand that. Fundamentally, the I am. I understand that. But I need to pinpoint it even further. Why? Because I want to. All right. So that at this time that you're speaking with us, this part of you, that I understand isn't a part of you, I don't have the right words for it. You are also aware of the other experiences and interactions that are a part of who you are. To varying degrees. What do you mean by that? Simply what it says. To varying degrees according to the purpose that they serve to be aware of them. But you're consciously aware. So does the varying degrees, does it cover the range of emotions? Perhaps this is what is causing the mistake. Perhaps this is what is causing the mistake. understanding. Everything within all that is, if it exists as something you can recognize as an identifiable separateness, to some degree must be separated and limited to some degree. Therefore, even we function with the idea of some degree of limitation. Otherwise, we would simply be the idea of the homogenous one all that is, and you would not perceive us in any way, shape, or form as differentiation. as differentiated at all. Therefore, to varying degrees of limitation according to the purpose that it served, I allow my consciousness of the interactions that I am to fluctuate to serve different purposes, such as communicating with your civilization. But still I recognize that the communication between us is not something outside of me, but a part of me. I understand. Does that clarify the idea? Yes, it does. Thank you. For male. Yeah? For male. For male? Mm-hmm.
Part 11
Therefore, to varying degrees of limitation according to the purpose that it served, I allow my consciousness of the interactions that I am to fluctuate to serve different purposes, such as communicating with your civilization. But still I recognize that the communication between us is not something outside of me, but a part of me. I understand. Does that clarify the idea? Yes, it does. Thank you. For male. Yeah? For male. For male? Mm-hmm. While Nancy claimed one of the highest forms of feeling to, I think it was the lady that had cancer, I'm not sure, but he spoke about how to heal others by use of different life. How to allow others to heal themselves. I can't remember how you put it. There are many, many ways. Again, none is so much higher than another way. But simply, there is the ability to recognize that you are living light. And in this way, you can identify with the idea that you are a perfect pattern, so to speak. You have the idea of the pattern you prefer to be. Knowing what that pattern is, knowing the feeling that it represents, the vibration of anything that is not that pattern, including the idea, disheaved. You follow me. Well, I have been of assistance to you. No, I meant like if you want to send love and like someone else. Go ahead. How do it. You just did. By thinking of it. You do know how to do it. You do know how to do it. It is automatic. When you think of a concept, You are that reality. You are that vibration. You cannot conceive of non-existence. Everything you conceive of is real in that way. Particularly in your reality, the idea of a notion that has anything at all to do with another part of what you recognize to be your reality is instantaneously the reality you are as soon as you conceive of it. So when you have the notion of sending what you consider to be light and love to someone else, to someone else, it is sent automatically. There is no process involved. You become the idea, and it is done. Now, it is still up to the other individual, whether or not they wish to, in a sense, receive the gift, so to speak. But it is always going to be there for them to be able to receive it when they are ready to. You follow me. Like even years later, for instance? What is time to love? You follow me. Does that assist you? Thank you for then creating that reality for yourself. I? I was going to ask this existence, what's the use of it? To learn, to experience it. It is one of the ways you can experience all that is. Why not? Well, fair enough. you feel that you've got a handle on it, and you've been in and out of most of the holders as well. Okay.
Part 12
love? You follow me. Does that assist you? Thank you for then creating that reality for yourself. I? I was going to ask this existence, what's the use of it? To learn, to experience it. It is one of the ways you can experience all that is. Why not? Well, fair enough. you feel that you've got a handle on it, and you've been in and out of most of the holders as well. Okay. The idea primarily of what you would represent to be your universal reality in your civilization, as you call it, has been primarily for the purpose of experiencing all the different forms of limitation that there is to experience. So what for? Why not? Well, have you done it? Not to the same extent. Why not? Why not? Because it simply does not suit my definition of myself. Maybe it doesn't suit me. Then you wouldn't be here. Okay. Now, the idea, once again, is that when you allow your physical reality to be an obvious reflection of what you did choose to experience, then you'll begin to see why you chose it. But as long as you refuse to acknowledge that where you are, that where you are is where you put yourself, then you are not saying you are in control. Thus, you do not give yourself the opportunity, since you do not believe you are in control of where you are, to understand why you are, where you are. Very good. All you need to do is take it for granted that you chose to be here for a reason, so ask yourself, why are you here. Okay, I've almost got to the answer that question, I think. All right. You'll only know when you get there, of course. But on the other hand, what is the point? is the point of it. I don't understand. All right. Again, this may result from the overall confusion of the idea of looking for purposes that seem to be ultimate purposes. Now, recognize that all that is, in a sense, now I am speaking in linear time frame colloquial terms, so it will translate most clearly. All that is, let us say, existed, so to speak, before the creation The creation of the idea, purpose. Purpose is one of the creations of all that is. You follow me so far? Yes. Therefore, that which has existed before purpose was created does not need a purpose to continue to exist. It simply is what it is. Now, you are a part of all that is. There are many aspects, many ways, to experience all that is.
Part 13
us say, existed, so to speak, before the creation The creation of the idea, purpose. Purpose is one of the creations of all that is. You follow me so far? Yes. Therefore, that which has existed before purpose was created does not need a purpose to continue to exist. It simply is what it is. Now, you are a part of all that is. There are many aspects, many ways, to experience all that is. If you are experiencing one of those aspects, it is simply because, foundationally, not specifically, foundationally, because you wish to have that particular experience of that particular fragment of all that is, so that you will know that there is then to you more understanding of what it truly means to experience all that is because this is simply one of the ways you can experience it and you want to experience as many ways as you can. So why not? Now, you may in any particular life such as this create your own specific purposes, goals, desires, want, joy, struggles, and so forth. And those can serve you. You can understand why you have created them as well. But those are your specific desire. specific desires within any given fragment life timeframe and has really not so much to do with the overall idea of, well, what is the purpose anyway to any of it? All that is does not need a purpose to be anything it can imagine itself to be. It simply does so because that is the nature of all that is, to be what it can imagine itself to be, thus experiencing another aspect of itself. I don't know.