Association Business2

Welcome. Thank you for coming tonight. I appreciate it. Before we get started with the actual... Tonight, especially for those that are somewhat new to this, I think there's going to be something a little bit unusual about the opening. Normally when Bashar comes through, he talks about some subject for a few minutes that he thinks is important as a lead-in monologue. There will be questions and answers for the majority of the session. That part will not change. But last week, Bashar gave us kind of a warning, I guess, for lack of a better word, that there would be sort of a guest that he would be acting as a go-between for tonight. And what he sort of explained, if I understand it, is that he's talked about the fact that his world and other worlds belong to some kind of an association or a federation or what having. Federation or what have you, whatever you want to call it. But he said that at the initial time when they decided to begin these kinds of contacts, begin these kinds of dialogues with us, I guess one or more worlds decided to abstain from that for various reasons. And what he said is that tonight, supposedly, he will act as a mediator between all of us, and one of those worlds, a representative from one of those worlds, and I guess what they're doing is they're sort of checking in to see whether or not things have changed sufficiently for them to begin to start interacting with us as opposed to remaining neutral. We have really no idea what it is that this is going to entail, but I think he made it somewhat clear that maybe more than, you know, than usual, you should maybe think of yourselves as representatives tonight or diplomats or ambassadors because I have no idea exactly what kind of an assessment these beings are going to make. I'm sure it's not a judgmental one, but they are for some reason and off of exactly what information I don't know, going to determine from this interaction whether or not they want to join in and participate on an ongoing basis. Now, some of us have sort of started talking about this as to what this might mean. and so I just wanted to have a little bit of a discussion ahead of time, because I know some people have been sort of thinking about this all week as to, you know, what are we going to say? I'm not really sure what you need to say, and I'm sure Bashar will sort of handle it when he comes through, but I think I want to say, you know, don't feel like you have to convince them or anything. convince them or anything like that.

discussion ahead of time, because I know some people have been sort of thinking about this all week as to, you know, what are we going to say? I'm not really sure what you need to say, and I'm sure Bashar will sort of handle it when he comes through, but I think I want to say, you know, don't feel like you have to convince them or anything. convince them or anything like that. I mean, I guess the best idea is really just be yourselves, but at the same time recognize that this is an opportunity, I guess, for lack of a better term, to sort of put your best foot forward and just sort of engage them and see what it is that's going on. And I don't know, I really don't know what else to say about it, you know, in that context. But, so it is a little bit of an unusual opening, so enjoy it for whatever it is. I have no idea what it's going to be. but we'll see where it goes from there and then there will be normal questions and answers. New people, when we get to the question and answer part and people call out and Bashar chooses you, we, do you have the mic? We have a... The mic is somewhere. Do we know where the mic is? Okay. We have a remote mic. So if you do get called on, just wait until the microphone is passed to you so that we can get you so that we can get you clearly on the tape and then go ahead and ask your question. And it doesn't matter what the question is in terms of subject matter, as long as it's important to you. Okay, so have fun. Good luck. And we'll see where this goes. I just need... Does the antenna not picking up? Okay. Is that okay? Are you getting this okay? Okay. Can I go now? Get out of here. Get out of you. Get lost. I don't know. Oh. Oh. Okay. Okay. Oh! . Oh! Okay. . . Oh. . . Oh. Oh! Oh! How do you say good How are you this a good day to you this day to this David Rtaima. How are you all? Once again we take this opportunity to thank you this opportunity to thank each and every one of you all. for allowing our civilization to communicate with your civilization in this manner through this window. Each and every time you allow such an interaction to occur. It affords our world an opportunity to experience that many more facets of the infinite creation through each and every one of your perspective. So we thank you for this gift of sharing and allowing this transmission to take place.

to thank each and every one of you all. for allowing our civilization to communicate with your civilization in this manner through this window. Each and every time you allow such an interaction to occur. It affords our world an opportunity to experience that many more facets of the infinite creation through each and every one of your perspective. So we thank you for this gift of sharing and allowing this transmission to take place. We would like to begin this transmission by reminding you that last transmission, we gave you a review, as it were, of what was coming up in terms of the ability, the opportunity to communicate with a member of another species, of another world, another reality, who up to this point and still continuing have decided, though they are a member of the association to remain neutral with regard to relations and communications regarding your world, and several other worlds. This then is the opportunity for opening a dialogue with one of their represented hymns to allow them to make their assessments for their own understanding for their own perspectives as to whether or not it would be of mutual benefit for them to begin to participate in dialogues of their own or add their energy to these dialogues. Primarily, one of the reasons that they have to abstained is that they did not really deem that any change would occur in the direction that would make it beneficial for such communication to take place. But they have, through invitation, and partial observation, now been in a sense convinced him to to check in and to see if things have changed sufficiently to warrant their participation. This does not mean that they consider themselves to be better than you. This is not a judgment call, as you say, in your language. But simply, on their part, a recognition of what they deem to be, timely, fitting, appropriate, for their civilization as well as your own, with regard to such interactions and such happenstances. Now, we should understand, first of all, that many of the civilizations that have been communicating with you in this methodology, and in particular, many of those consciousnesses and entities that we have facilitated over time, from time to time, in these gatherings, in these transmissions, many of the entities that you have spoken to, with our acting as a go-between have been relatively connected or relatively close, genetically speaking, to the idea of human history. They are, at least in many ways, such as ourselves, many of these that have spoken to you, humanoid, human-like, that is, in other words, you would recognize that because we all share with you similar genetic material, that they have the head, the two arms, the two legs, the two eyes, and many of them would appear, though different in texture, though different in somewhat of their appearance, to be relatively understandable.

human history. They are, at least in many ways, such as ourselves, many of these that have spoken to you, humanoid, human-like, that is, in other words, you would recognize that because we all share with you similar genetic material, that they have the head, the two arms, the two legs, the two eyes, and many of them would appear, though different in texture, though different in somewhat of their appearance, to be relatively understandable. But we wish to understand now that you are dealing with the civilization that is not connected to you at all, that is not human at all in any way, shape or form, even though you would perceive them in your own way, in your own way, in your own interpretations as being of between what you call six to eight feet in height that is all we have told you about them and you must understand that they are not really in any way shape or form that which would appear to you to be human they are of a consciousness that is in your terms evolved going into a non-physical state existing in a quasi physical non-physical state yet they do have a physiology and appearance we will not describe them at this time because we do not want to put limitations in your mind or appearances. We wish the exchange of the information to be paramount, to be the focus, rather than their appearance. In time, if they decide to begin to participate and interact, then a description or a definition of their appearance and their culture and their world may then become forthcoming. But until such time, let us focus on the idea of the dialogue and the interactions. Now, this interaction will take place in a very specific way, perhaps in a manner best referred to by your word protocol, there will be a great deal of protocol in this interaction as befits their species, as befits their style of interaction. Also, we are allowed to tell you that what we are about to describe as the protocol for this interaction may be in and of itself, that That is, the execution of how you handle this protocol, may be in and of itself, something that they will be watching for, something that they will be looking at, something that they will be assessing. And that may factor in to their decision as to whether or not to begin to participate. The very act of interacting is something they are going to be looking at as well as the information in the interaction. So we will function as a go-between. You will not even really be talking directly to one of them, but we will translate as a mediator, as a go-between what they have to say, what you have to say.

factor in to their decision as to whether or not to begin to participate. The very act of interacting is something they are going to be looking at as well as the information in the interaction. So we will function as a go-between. You will not even really be talking directly to one of them, but we will translate as a mediator, as a go-between what they have to say, what you have to say. We will preface their information by the terms they say or they ask so that you will know when we are referring to their dialogue as opposed to our own. Now, here is the beginning of the protocol. the interaction, it is deemed that it will be appropriate that you choose a representative, a single representative, and that that that representative will then take the various statements and questions through a raising of hands, but as each person is called upon who may have a question or a statement or a sharing for this being, then that person will state their question, but the representative along will actually state the question or restate the question or repeat it for the purpose of the actual interaction. Do you follow this? No. Now, the single representative that you choose will not have to be the only representative for the interaction. In other words, you can choose a representative and perhaps, for example, allow that representative to field three questions. You may then decide that you want to give someone else a chance to function. representative, but there will only be at any one time one representative who will address the questions to the being, to the neutral, as we refer to them. You understand this technique? So, here is the thing that is first of all. There can be a volunteer for the representative, but there must be, not majority decision backing that that that person will be the representative, there must be unanimous decision. decision. They, these beings, the neutrals, do not function by majority rule. Anything and everything that they do must be agreed upon unanimously by every single member. One abstaining member, and there is no decision in that direction. Therefore, it is their opinion, their feeling for their society that to witness how you may handle this idea on your own terms will be something that they are looking at for their own purposes. Therefore, let us begin in some manner for you to decide to pick your first representative for this interaction. There can be, again, by volunteer, and then by vote to back the volunteer, or you can decide some other way. But choose now. April will volunteer. Is the idea of April then unanimous? And remember, if there is a nay, it is not a judgmental idea. Yes? Does anyone abstain or say nay? Very well. We will begin with April.

some manner for you to decide to pick your first representative for this interaction. There can be, again, by volunteer, and then by vote to back the volunteer, or you can decide some other way. But choose now. April will volunteer. Is the idea of April then unanimous? And remember, if there is a nay, it is not a judgmental idea. Yes? Does anyone abstain or say nay? Very well. We will begin with April. Now then, again, the idea will be that once the connection is, made once we let you know the connection is made, then you can ask for questions and or statements from your group. They can raise their hands. You can call and pick and choose whom you wish. Hear what they have to say and then repeat it to the representative of the neutrals. Do you understand? All right. One moment. One moment. One moment. All right. They await. All right, they receive and they acknowledge. The mission. Yes. The mission of the association is, and in what way we could serve if we belong to the association? She would like to know what the mission of the association is and in which way we can serve the association. in this mission. All right. One moment. They say there is no mission to the association. There is only the existence of those vibrations and those frequencies that find themselves incompatibility with others, that find themselves incompatibility with others, that find themselves, that find themselves in intention with others and your service, if so desired, would be to follow suit and become cohesive within your own integrities, within your own intentions. That alone will make you compatible with the idea that created the association. Do you understand this? Yes. Yes. She understands. Thank you. They say, they ask, what is your intention? They ask. They ask that being, that being, that is your intention. that asked the first question, what then is your intention? Well, my intention is to create harmony on earth and to within the harmony to be part of the association. She says her intention is to create harmony on the earth and to be part with the association to be part of that intention. They ask, how will you create that harmony? One of the most important things to me, and I don't know about others, but to me is to understand and not judge what each person's purpose is. One of the things she says that's important to her, And she thinks perhaps to others also, but she's not sure for others. Is not to judge. Is not to judge. They ask, In your choice, in your choice of non-judgment, is it then sufficient that you yourself experience this non-judgment, or is it to you important that others must also experience non-judgment? That's a fascinating question that I have been dealing with a lot lately because if I say others should be non-judgmental, then I am being judgment.

to others also, but she's not sure for others. Is not to judge. Is not to judge. They ask, In your choice, in your choice of non-judgment, is it then sufficient that you yourself experience this non-judgment, or is it to you important that others must also experience non-judgment? That's a fascinating question that I have been dealing with a lot lately because if I say others should be non-judgmental, then I am being judgment. of them being judgmental. So I think for me it's important for me not to be judgmental, whereas everybody has to choose their own way of being. She says that this is something that she's been working with a lot and that she chooses not to be judgmental, but that sometimes... Well, if I judge, if I say others have to be judgmental, then I'm making a judgmental, then I'm making a judgmental. how others should be, and I don't want to do that. If she says others shouldn't be judgmental, then she's making a judgment of others, so she doesn't want to do that. They say they will then think about this. They ask, are there others who wish to interact at this time? She would like to know if they ask. if you would ask her a question. They say, ask her the question, why? Why? I'd like to know more about you. I'd like to know more about you. I'd like to know more about them, so then we can expand our experience with them. with them. She'd like to know more about you so that we can expand our experience of you by asking a question. They say they have asked the question that she wanted them to ask. The question that she wanted them to ask. The question was why? Why do you want them to ask you a question? For fun. For fun. They say they will then ask several questions. They say, if that is, preferred. Very much so. They say then that they will discuss and in a moment create a unanimous presentation of what questions they will ask. They ask for one moment. They ask question number one. Why? And in what way do you believe you will learn about us by us asking you a question you a question. Depending on what kind of question they ask, tells a lot about them. Depending on what kind of question you ask tells a lot about you. They say, then what did you learn from the question just asked? to agree on the questions. She learned that you have to agree on the questions. They say you already knew and were already informed that their methodology required unanimous decision. This is not something you learned new. I'm enjoying the interaction. She said she learned that she's enjoying the interaction. They ask, what does that teach her about us? That they may have more protocol than works for me?

learn from the question just asked? to agree on the questions. She learned that you have to agree on the questions. They say you already knew and were already informed that their methodology required unanimous decision. This is not something you learned new. I'm enjoying the interaction. She said she learned that she's enjoying the interaction. They ask, what does that teach her about us? That they may have more protocol than works for me? She said that they may have more protocol than works for her. She said that they may have more protocol than works for her. They say, so you have then learned that there are different ways, and that each different way, way is appropriate for different beings. Is that what you have learned? Affirmative. Affirmative. They have. What is the most important thing you believe you have ever learned about yourself? That she's God, or that I'm God, I am God. They ask, why is that important? It's beyond, I have no idea. She said it expanded her experience beyond, I have no idea. They ask, which is it? You have no idea? Or that it's not your experience? The potential is it? It's a bit about that. They ask, are you experiencing difficulty? They say, obviously. She says obviously. They ask, in what way then will you use this experience of difficulty to determine what your answer will be? I'm learning about communicating through a third person and a fourth person. She says she's learning about communicating through a third person and a fourth person. They ask, what have you learned about communicating through another person? It takes longer and it's confusing her. She said it takes longer and it's confusing her. They say they will think of it. They will think about that. They ask, then, for another question or comment. Does someone else like to ask a question? Yes. I'd like to ask them if they have different levels to their society because it seems that they all want to relate on the same vibrational level. Are there... She asks, do they have... Do they have different vibrational levels in their society? Because it seems that they want to relate all on the same vibrational level. They say both and none. They ask, is this understood? Yes. Yes. They ask, explain it back to us. it back to us. It's a paradox, she says. It's a paradox, she says. They say define paradox. Paradox There is all of, there is all of, there is a There is something and there is nothing and it exists at the same time. Paradox means that there is something and there is nothing and it exists at the same time. They ask, give a definition in two words only. Do you wish to discuss this before you allow the representative to actually answer? Would you like to discuss it with a group? No. We are giving you a moment to discuss it.

is a There is something and there is nothing and it exists at the same time. Paradox means that there is something and there is nothing and it exists at the same time. They ask, give a definition in two words only. Do you wish to discuss this before you allow the representative to actually answer? Would you like to discuss it with a group? No. We are giving you a moment to discuss it. Would you like to discuss this? Would you like to solicit other opinions? I would like to ask what to answer? They're asking you to answer in two words. Okay. And now the question is, do you like to say those two words or would you like to solicit some assistance from others in the group? Ask them what they would prefer. They've already said what they prefer. All right. So let's do two words. It is. But that's not a paradox. Within the two words has to be the opposite. They have told us we are allowed to give you a clue. clue. Think back to what you have learned and think back to basics. Oh, all one. Do you like all one? No. No. No. Like that? All right. We have an answer. The answer is all one. They say close enough. They were looking for second law. May we ask another question? Yes. They say yes. have such individuals in our society. And I, myself, am interested in learning more about their mass consciousness that seems to be, telepathic mass consciousness. Do they have any idea? any ideas on how we can reach that with our individuality. She says, because we have so many individuals in our society, and they are as one consciousness, telepathic, she would like to know how we can become a telepathic society. They say they have perceived this question. this question to imply that individuality is exclusive to telepathic cohesion. Is this what is being said? No. They ask. They ask what is being said. They ask what is being said. I'm saying that we have a We have so many individuals on our planet that are vibrating at different rates. And if we were to become a more cohesive society so we could work with them in the Association of Worlds, what are their thoughts on how they see we can reach that? You're not seeing how we should, how everybody should react to get that? We're not a unanimous. They say, she says that because we we in our society vibrate at so many different vibrational levels, how can, and they're not unanimous, how can we all vibrate at the same vibrational level in order to be telepathic with one another? To be a cohesive unit that can work with them in the association. To be a cohesive unit to work with them with the association. And not how can we be, but how do they see this? happening for us? What is their vision?

vibrate at so many different vibrational levels, how can, and they're not unanimous, how can we all vibrate at the same vibrational level in order to be telepathic with one another? To be a cohesive unit that can work with them in the association. To be a cohesive unit to work with them with the association. And not how can we be, but how do they see this? happening for us? What is their vision? Not how can we be, but how do they see this happening for us? What is their vision? They ask how do you function how do you function as an individual when your own consciousness is created from so many different personality components I I relate I judge that by my my my level of excitement that that would be the true place to vibrate she judges that the true place for her to vibrate is at the level of her excitement they say non-responsive No responsive? Colloquially, they are saying you did not answer the question. Okay. How do I? By the way... Do you understand the question? Do you wish them to ask it again? I understand the question is that because I am multi-personality, have very many personalities, how do I know when I'm cohesive in my personality? Is that correct? She wants to know is that because she's many different personalities, are they asking? are they asking her how she knows when she's functioning as a cohesive personality? They say that is the correct question. Okay, so the answer is all that is. She says when she feels at one with all that is. They ask, who is I that is doing the feeling in that case? All that is. She is. She says... ...individually expressed. She says all that is, individually expressed. They say, then, do you not have the answer to your original question? Yes, thank you very much. She says yes, thank you very much. They say, allow for another representative. Okay. This is a representative who wants to be a representative. Would anyone else like to be a representative? Yes, John. No. It has to be unanimous. It has to be unanimous. Right. This is not about forcing anyone. We have a volunteer if it's okay with everyone. All right, Barbara has volunteered. Yes. Yes. Is those abstaining? Okay, we have a new representative. They say, we have a new representative. They say, proceed. Does anyone have a question? Okay, go ahead. I don't want to block anyone. I'll come over here. You have a question? Yes, I do. It would appear that... It would appear that... Okay. It would appear that your... is functioning consistent with the laws of quantum physics. It would appear that your society is functioning in consistent with the laws of quantum physics. They say that which you refer to as quantum physics are not laws, but only conditions of local universal experience.

don't want to block anyone. I'll come over here. You have a question? Yes, I do. It would appear that... It would appear that... Okay. It would appear that your... is functioning consistent with the laws of quantum physics. It would appear that your society is functioning in consistent with the laws of quantum physics. They say that which you refer to as quantum physics are not laws, but only conditions of local universal experience. We will function also by some similar principles in particular when there is an interface between our reality and a reality such as your own, they say. they say, they say, however, in our own reality, some of what your reality calls laws of physics do not apply, though they are not wrong for your reality. It would appear that a little time would appear that this is not wrong for your reality. It would appear that neither time or space among their society has the same meaning as it does with us. It would appear that neither time nor space in their society has the same appearance as it does with us. They say this is correct. However, they understand some as it is correct. aspect of linear space-time and linear time space must be applied in forming this bridge. Does not the human need to relate among themselves, more along themselves, the lines as described by quantum physics. So that does not the human need to, do not we humans, need to relate to each other. Do not we humans need to relate to each other? In the sense of the timelessness and the lack of distance, such as appears to be... In the sense of the timelessness and the lack of distance, such as appears to be... sense of the timelessness and the lack of distance as appears to be... What is occurring among your people? What is occurring among your people? They say more of this must be incorporated within your consciousness, but not at the expense of linearity in totality. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They say, if linear time space is completely forsaken, there is no methodology then of application of less linear linear linear linearity in your reality. They say the idea is balance. More heart, less mind here. More heart, less mind here. More heart. mind here. They say yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. They say thank you. Since I understand that I am, they all, I'd like to. I'd like to incorporate that maybe, because I really get excited when we work as a forum. and we work as a forum here, and maybe we could all pull together to ask a question through you, so that maybe it's a collective question all of us functioning as the one instead of maybe thinking of individuals. Yeah, I mean, I'd love for everybody to get together, because we started to do that, it's really excited, we kind of collectively cooled our.

I really get excited when we work as a forum. and we work as a forum here, and maybe we could all pull together to ask a question through you, so that maybe it's a collective question all of us functioning as the one instead of maybe thinking of individuals. Yeah, I mean, I'd love for everybody to get together, because we started to do that, it's really excited, we kind of collectively cooled our. John, this being his name John, and he got very excited when all of us got together and formed a question on a collective level, and we would like to do that. It just seems more, it's a chance to apply the second law. They say, no response is required from us on this point. Is that unanimous with everyone here? So what's a fun question that we could all ask together? It's something that we excites everybody. Huh? What? What, Bob? What, Bob? Go ahead. What? I'm interested if they have subject object, if they see the world, a subject object, or is they're just perceiving? Ah, got you. Okay. Is that okay with everyone? Is everybody agree with that question? Okay. Okay. The question is, do you see yourselves as a perceiver only or? Do you see yourselves as a perceiver only or? An object of perception or just perceiving? An object of perception or just the act of perceiving? They say on all levels except the one. There is always the perceiving that creates the perceiving that creates the perceiver and the perceived. Various levels will relate to this relationship to varying degrees. But to all levels is always available, the understanding, that the one is simultaneously, that which is perceived, that which does the perceiving, and the act of perception, all at once, this triune relationship exists on every level but the one. We, they say, are in full recognition and experience of the triune, understanding ourselves as understanding ourselves as the perceiver. the perceiver as the perceived and as the act of perception simultaneously. They ask, of the same being that asked this question, to this question, to what degree do you then what degree do you then experience this question, to what degree, to what degree do you then experience this question, experience the aspect of this triune relationship. I allow myself to dissolve into the act of perceiving without the need of perceived or object of perception. He says he allows himself to dissolve into the act of perceiving without into the act of perception. without needing object or subject. into the act of perception without needing object or subject. They then ask the question. Then who asked the question? That. That. That asked the question. They ask then who is that. Who is that? That I am. They then ask, who is the I am that recognizes itself as the I am that recognizes itself as the I am? I am. Does everybody agree that someone?

act of perception. without needing object or subject. into the act of perception without needing object or subject. They then ask the question. Then who asked the question? That. That. That asked the question. They ask then who is that. Who is that? That I am. They then ask, who is the I am that recognizes itself as the I am that recognizes itself as the I am? I am. Does everybody agree that someone? Is that a question? I do. Just keep you going about all the lives, there's only one of this here. You're not trying to wipe out any spirituality. No, it's concluded in the one. I think that's what they collected. The one is the all, and the all is the one. That's the paradox that we're surrendering to. When we surrender everything, then we can have that. When I surrender, I am still moral. I understand. But who is surrendering? That's a personality process. I understand. Who's the I? Who's the I? For years, I gave up on it and I have that. Are you a part of the eye? I don't know we're supposed to answer it. Aren't we supposed to be answering? Yeah, we're having a collective discussion in order to answer the question. We're having a collective discussion in order to answer your question. We're going to unanimously agree on this answer before we answer. We're going to unanimously agree on this answer before we answer. answer. They then say that you may unanimously agree that you may unanimously agree. So we have a sense of humorous. Thank you. So what's the answer that we collectively agree on here? It's maybe the truth that there is no individual, that there's only one, and that's the truth. That's the truth. And if that's the truth, we can. we can take the attitude here or the stand that that is the truth. There's no individual, there's only one. I agree with that. So what John's answer is, is who's asking the question. Consciousness is asking the question. But what about the experience of paradox when you experience close on the pain. It's like that is the ground experience. Well, only when, okay, well, I can't answer the question. Only when I allow myself to be nothing, can I be something. So I surrender into the awareness of nothing, which is everything. So, but he's asking who's answering that question, who's even talking right now? And I would like for all of us to answer that. Maybe it's the difference between the masculine and a feminine. My feminine experience is, I don't even have to try it in and it happens. Anybody else? Perhaps the neutral part of us could answer the question. The neutral part of us? Oh, the neutral part of us can answer the question. All right, cool. We want to merge with those guys and they're part of us.

like for all of us to answer that. Maybe it's the difference between the masculine and a feminine. My feminine experience is, I don't even have to try it in and it happens. Anybody else? Perhaps the neutral part of us could answer the question. The neutral part of us? Oh, the neutral part of us can answer the question. All right, cool. We want to merge with those guys and they're part of us. So we'd like to ask the neutral part of us to answer that question. We're surrendering to the neutral part of us that will answer that question. We're surrendering to the neutral part of us that will answer the question. this question. We're surrendering to the neutral part of us so we can answer this question. That answers your question. They say, then they will await the answer from the neutral portion of yourself. Which is that, right? All of us to agree on something? Well, we can agree on the fact that we don't agree. That's something. we can't agree. So what do we agree on? How about when Bashar talks about that particle that's vibrating so fast, it looks like a whole bunch of things, but it's just one thing that's... Can we ask him the question? How about love answers the question? Does everyone agree that love can answer this question? Love is asking the question? Yeah. All right, thank you. Love is asking the question. They say, love is asking the question for Through whom? They said it before, but he didn't dig that. Through Bashar? Through Bashar? They say, non sequitur. They say, non sequitur. True. It's not love and aspect of each of us, so therefore is it not the love that was within each of us that is responding? Yes. are we the frequency of that collectively? Is not love always neutral? It's just this full acceptance, right, of what is? So... And it's the one thing that we have all in all... We all have love in common. And that must be... Surrender. But who's asking the question, though? is what is that. Are you asking the question? Who's asking the question? Who? Can you lose that in your question? Ask them who has on that. Yeah. Okay. It's the same question. It's the same consciousness that's asking his question is asking our questions. Is that cool? The same consciousness that is asking your question is asking our question. They say I am. I am. We said I am? We said I am. said I am. They say, when they say I am, they are acknowledging simultaneously the whole and the individuality. They say there is no forsaking of one for the other. They say the idea is then not to make mysterious this notion but to make this notion but to remain in your terminology and within the realm of your existence pragmatic. They say the answer is coming through your individuality from your oneness.

I am. said I am. They say, when they say I am, they are acknowledging simultaneously the whole and the individuality. They say there is no forsaking of one for the other. They say the idea is then not to make mysterious this notion but to make this notion but to remain in your terminology and within the realm of your existence pragmatic. They say the answer is coming through your individuality from your oneness. You, they say, may know on the oneness you may experience as a oneness, but to ask the question requires that you take the oneness into individuality or no question is asked for the one does not need to ask the question the one knows but in the form of a question the one becomes the individual who does not know and asks I mean that's I felt that's what I felt that's what I said but I didn't know thank you thank you thank you thank you. They say, thank you, they now say, they will ponder all that has been exchanged. They say they will, they will let you know. They say, end of transmission. We will take this opportunity to thank each and every one of you for co-participating. in this exercise, they will let you know when they have made a decision. Of course, it will mean it will have to be unanimous. So we will let you know what that decision may be when and where it occurs. You may now resume what you call standard format for these interactions, and you may begin this time with sharing. Bashar. You, good day. It is. Thank you for this opportunity to share, Bashar. I would like to discuss two dreams that I had very recently. One. All right. Choose which you believe is most important or exciting to you. One only. Okay. The most exciting one happened on the fifth. By the way, I am allowed to give you another clue. Okay. Don't think that this interaction is over. Okay. They are still listening. Okay. Well, that makes me feel very responsible somehow. I don't know. But anyway, in this dream, I find myself in a room, which is very, very familiar to me. Guys. It feels very Victorian. And as I recall it, it comes alive to me. I'm a female about 30 years of Earth-time. years of Earth time. Yes. And I'm in this room, and I seem to know there's an object on the wall. I describe it as a wax safe. It's quite a curious thing. There are layers and layers of wood-looking paper, which I peel apart. I open, which reveals another and another for some time. And within this, I already know what's inside, but when I reach the interior, there are what I describe as cream-colored wax, almost candle-looking rods. They appear to be maybe 18 inches in length and maybe, oh, a quarter to a half inch in diameter. Yes.

wax safe. It's quite a curious thing. There are layers and layers of wood-looking paper, which I peel apart. I open, which reveals another and another for some time. And within this, I already know what's inside, but when I reach the interior, there are what I describe as cream-colored wax, almost candle-looking rods. They appear to be maybe 18 inches in length and maybe, oh, a quarter to a half inch in diameter. Yes. And I'm wondering if this represents hybrid children somehow. No. Okay? Well, in this dream, I'm unclothed and I'm walking around, preparing to bathe. I see a great deal of lace that's very familiar to me. I know this. lace. It belongs to me somehow. But I seem to know within this dream what's happening as though I've done it previously. And what is it you seem to know? I seem to know where everything is. I know this room belongs to me. I know this is my life somehow. Why? And do you understand this? Well, that's what I want to talk with you about. You don't understand this? I believe that this is a part of who I am at some point. Yes. Yes. And what is the symbology for you? It's very feminine, very beautiful. Yes. Extremely sensual. I think that's the part that I found a little surprising. It was so... Why so? Because I don't experience that much readily, presently. And yet to be, considering yourself a whole being, you must. Yes. Experience all aspects within yourself. Is that the message of this dream? It is one of them. It is your understanding that you all know this already. You all know what it is you're going to find when you peel away all the layers. You all know what it is that this lacy network represents in terms of your ability to connect to anything you want. You all understand that you have the masculine and feminine aspects and the positive and the negative and all polarities within you. And you all understand that in order to allow yourself to function holistically, there is required to be an equal balance of all these things with you. of all these things within your collective energy. And thus then, as you peel all this away, at whatever rate you deem is comfortable for you, you then will find these rods that will act and will function in a sense like a measuring device, like a calibration device, that will represent when you have come into your majesty. They are sceptors of commandment. You understand? Not clearly. You know what a scepter is? I have an idea. It's something that a regal being holds. Yes. Beyond that I don't know.

away, at whatever rate you deem is comfortable for you, you then will find these rods that will act and will function in a sense like a measuring device, like a calibration device, that will represent when you have come into your majesty. They are sceptors of commandment. You understand? Not clearly. You know what a scepter is? I have an idea. It's something that a regal being holds. Yes. Beyond that I don't know. Well then the idea is that if you discover after peeling away all the layers, that what remains is the sceptre, then you understand that you are, all of you a regal being in that sense, made in the image of the infinite, and are in that sense, unconditional beings. And this is your ownership of power. Why are there so many of these rods contained within this? Because you can approach it from many different directions and own your power from any direction you wish. It is also representative of the multitudes that you are connected to and that are a part of you. In your own personality structure, each and every aspect of your personality deserves to be its own king and queen. That is the secret, so to speak, to unity. When each component of the individuality is allowed to be its full regal self, its full sovereign self. Do you understand that term? I get the picture of that. I get the picture of that. I'd like to ask about the symbolism of the bathtub. Why am I bathing? What does this represent? Again, it is simply your idea of coming clean. Of allowing yourself to peel away layers and feel that you are divesting yourself of that which does not belong to you. Howing yourself to peel away layers and feel that you are divesting yourself of that which does not belong to you, of that which is in your terms, not your vibration, of that which you is in your terms, not your vibration, of that which you can let go of, come clean into your pure vibration, honoring yourself. This is all about self-honoring and honoring every aspect of your total self. Do you follow? Yes. Does this serve you? It serves me beautifully. All right. Thank you. Thank you. You and then you. Number two, do you know who you are? Me? Yes. Number one, good day. Good day. Hello, Bashar. I have been drawn to return to Sedona to make it at my home in a few months. Oh, I good bye. Have a nice trip. Oh, I shall. Have fun living there. I would like to ask you, your perception. When I was there, I think August and September of last year, I found the energies to be very chaotic and I didn't feel in harmony there, being in that vortex. How do you feel about yourself then? That had a lot to do with it. It has everything to do with it.

I good bye. Have a nice trip. Oh, I shall. Have fun living there. I would like to ask you, your perception. When I was there, I think August and September of last year, I found the energies to be very chaotic and I didn't feel in harmony there, being in that vortex. How do you feel about yourself then? That had a lot to do with it. It has everything to do with it. The idea of that particular vortex is that it acts like an amplifier of whatever it is you bring into the vortex with you. Aha. Aha. Yes. Therefore? In what way do you believe you were functioning chaotically? Well, my life was not in harmony. Well, then? So that is a good reflection, yes. That is what it is there to do. My question about that vortex, a friend of mine who lives close by in Flagstaff said that recently, the energy, not recently, but for the last several months, in her perception it has been very calm and and smooth. This is relative. Okay. I was wondering... It is personal. It is relative. It is individual. It is. I wondered if it was a reflection of the mass consciousness being more... To some degree, yes, but still it is personal, it is relative. It is, in that sense, individual based on your relationship to the whole and what you believe is the relationship of the whole to yourself. I understand. Thank you. Does this help you? Very much. Thank you. Next. This is a quick question. Referring back to years ago as Margo's having to do with the association, I seem to remember that you had told us then that we had become a part of the association. To a certain degree, not full-fledged members, obviously. Okay. The idea of what it is that was conducted this day of your time is association business to the level and to the degree that you are made that you are members, you were allowed to participate in that interaction to be able to determine your own relationship to the association in that sense. But only to that degree are you members. Okay. Now the other thing that I remember, and I could be wrong, is that you had said at some time around year 2000, Earth would split between those of us who would go into fourth density reality and those who would remain in third density. in third density. Could you... Yes. But this window is a little bit larger than that. It actually goes from the idea of your year of 2005 till about 2013. Okay. So the people who will go into fourth density will are more likely to join the association and not the others? Is there a... There will be no third density association membership. Right. Okay. But there will be still third density people on Earth?

in third density. Could you... Yes. But this window is a little bit larger than that. It actually goes from the idea of your year of 2005 till about 2013. Okay. So the people who will go into fourth density will are more likely to join the association and not the others? Is there a... There will be no third density association membership. Right. Okay. But there will be still third density people on Earth? But it will be on third density Earth and fourth density Earth will not perceive them. will not perceive them. So there will be a split. There is always a split. We are talking about something that goes on all the time. We were simply being precise as an analogy and a euphemistic illustration. But this split is occurring every moment. All right. Thank you very much. Does that help you? Yes. Yes. What? You. Thank you, Bashar. Good day. Good day to you. I am investing in an offshore project and I believe I've done my homework about it. about it. I feel excited. Investing in an offshore project. Yes, sir. Sir. I see. This is a formal meeting. No. This is new to me, so excuse me, please. You are excused. You are excused. I feel good about it and I feel excited about it. Yes. And I know the whole idea of this whole project for myself is trusting myself. All right. And I believe I did my homework about this project and about the person who is bringing my If you say so, if you say so, if you say so. But I'm wondering if I've missed anything or I have not seen anything. I don't know. We do not function as financial advisors for your people. Is there anything else you wish to discuss? I'm not sure. I don't know how to answer. Ask the question then. Maybe there is another question. Or maybe there is a statement you wish to make instead of a question. I don't know how to make instead of a question. I don't know how to ask. to put it into words the statement. I see. Do you want some help? Yes, I'd love some help. Oh, all right. Thank you. You want us to help you? I would like you to help me. Oh, all right, I see. Thank you. Are you sure? I'm positive. Are you sure you're positive? I'm absolutely positive. I'm positive. I'm positive. Oh, all right. What is your greatest fear about this venture? That I make a mistake. Define mistake? That in trusting myself, I let myself down. In trusting yourself, you let yourself down. You don't call that a mistake to think that way? It is a mistake. Then you've made a mistake. It's true. Are you still afraid of making mistakes? I'm getting to learn not to be afraid of making mistakes. You're getting to learn to not be afraid of making mistakes. All right.

venture? That I make a mistake. Define mistake? That in trusting myself, I let myself down. In trusting yourself, you let yourself down. You don't call that a mistake to think that way? It is a mistake. Then you've made a mistake. It's true. Are you still afraid of making mistakes? I'm getting to learn not to be afraid of making mistakes. You're getting to learn to not be afraid of making mistakes. All right. How long do you believe it will take you before you are not afraid of making mistakes? I think I've learned already. Are you sure? I'm positive. Absolutely. That's why I'm doing this project. Beyond a shadow of a doubt? Yes. With no hesitation whatsoever? Yes. All right. Any other fears? No. All right. May ask you a question? Yes. Why thank you. Let's say you go ahead with this venture. What if it doesn't turn out the way you think? think then what? Then that's the way it is. That's the way it is. Will that be all right? I feel that it will be. Why? Because I'm feeling good about making a decision and not worrying about it. Then you understand that perhaps the experience of making the decision may be, more importantly, what this is all about anyway. I agree. Do you understand? I believe that. All right. Then have fun. Thank you. Thank you. I have a question from me and a question from Jill, another member that could be here. One each. One each. Mine is that I've been involved in a practice of Buddhism for quite a long time. Oh, all right. When are you going to do it for real? Well, I'm doing it for real now. Oh, you have stopped practicing then. Yes, I stopped practicing. And the question is, I've realized there's so much, I guess, I guess. I guess deconstruction going on in the universe right now, things breaking down. Yes. And the truth is coming up, like a flower. The truth. What's that? The reality of the... The truth. What is the truth? One is all and all is one. Well, that's one, all right. That's one. Another truth would be, the truth of whatever the truth is of the individual situation. What is the truth? There is truth. All truths are true. So for you, what is the truth? the truth? What is the truth? Two words. Whatever excites you. Two words. You want a hint? I am. You want a hint? Sure. My truth. Is the truth. Alright. I like that. Whatever it is, at any given moment, your truth at that moment is the truth. Even if it changes in the next moment. Then that's your truth. All truths are true. That's the truth. Excellent. I like that. You follow? I follow. Does this help you? Yes. It helps me immensely. And? What's happening with this Buddhist religion is that it's splitting, and there's like a priesthood and lay people. Yes.

Alright. I like that. Whatever it is, at any given moment, your truth at that moment is the truth. Even if it changes in the next moment. Then that's your truth. All truths are true. That's the truth. Excellent. I like that. You follow? I follow. Does this help you? Yes. It helps me immensely. And? What's happening with this Buddhist religion is that it's splitting, and there's like a priesthood and lay people. Yes. And it's sort of like the Buddhist doing, not the practice, but the Buddhist doing is, what has been defined as Buddhism is losing its value and two people. are taking sides and I want to know. Do you mean it's losing its value to you? Well, not really, but I'm sort of doing my own thing. Well, there you go. That's Buddhism. So I just wondered what was going on. They're doing their own things. They're being Buddhists. They're doing the... Each person, they're taking sides. There's two different sides and it's... Two different sides. You mean like a coin? Yes. Well, have to have both sides in order. for there to be a coin, don't you? Well, okay. Spend a little time with that thought. Okay. What is the question for Jill? I'll cash in on it. Thank you. You're welcome. You will earn dividends. Thank you. I will reap many benefits, I'm sure. Yes. Jill wants to know, she has two questions. One. One is, can you give her a healing meditation for her for her leg slash ankle because... No, but her guides can. Since that was quick, I'll allow you to ask the other question. She's taking an awful lot of pain medication because her foot was forced forward and then the cast was put on it. She wants to know what she can do in lieu of taking the pain medication. You know, if you have any suggestion, she's not happy about taking the pain medication. One moment. One moment, there can be in conjunction. Number one, the rubbing of the surface of the skin with the pure aloe jelly. You follow me? Yes. And there can be the application of the application of of the hot and the cold towels in succession, one after the other, about 15 minutes each, on top of the aloe infusion in that area, back and forth, simultaneously with deep, even rhythmic breathing, and simultaneously with the envisioning in the mind's eye of blue, blue, blue, electromagnetic, blue energy infused, using that area, making it vibrate, making it light up, seeing it, align all the cells of the structure even down unto the bone. That in conjunction, all those things together. Allo, hot and cold, 15 minutes each, deep breathing rhythmically, blue, light envisioned in that area. All right. Okay. Okay. The pain medication, though, she should continue taking that until... For now, but she will find that as she does this, she will require less and less.

making it vibrate, making it light up, seeing it, align all the cells of the structure even down unto the bone. That in conjunction, all those things together. Allo, hot and cold, 15 minutes each, deep breathing rhythmically, blue, light envisioned in that area. All right. Okay. Okay. The pain medication, though, she should continue taking that until... For now, but she will find that as she does this, she will require less and less. And then she can wean herself as needed. Okay. Do you follow? Yes. Thank you. May I ask another? No. No? Okay. When we say one, we mean one. I see that. Thank you for sharing. You! Hello, Bashar. And are you a good day. How are you doing? Perfect and you. Pretty good. All right. One also. Okay. I focus. I have a question of proceeding with integrity, and I'll give you the scenario, which is not political. Ask the question only. No scenario. Ask the question only. It is possible for me to pass a letter. Ask the question only. Okay, I'm going to do something different. I'm going to do something different. Is that a question? It's a statement? All right. Are you saying then you do not need to ask the question? I'm saying I don't think I can ask, I'm going to ask a shorter question so that other people can ask questions. Ask whatever you wish. Okay. There are two horses where my horses, a mother and her son, but they're quite beautiful, and they run wild. They both have been ridden, but they pretty much run wild. I can touch them now, I can brush them now. They follow me around like puppies. And your question is? What is the metaphor for me that I cannot put a halter on them at this time? In what way would it be necessary to place artificial limitations on your joy? You perceive? I don't know if you're saying that I've done this or that... That this is the thing to consider, this is the metaphor. You do not need them. There are other ways of communicating with those symbols, with those beings. And to put halters on them is symbolically representative of putting artificial limitations on your joy. You do not need as much. not need as much structure as you think to get where you're going. That is the symbol and that is the reflection. All right? And I can still proceed with integrity. Yes. All right. Thank you. Yes? Yes. Good day. Good day. One question I have is while on the 13th floor. The 13th floor. An exercise we have recommended that many of you do. that many of you do. Take yourself to the 13th floor. Ooh, scary. Well, I feel like I've been on the 13th floor and have not left it. Oh, all right, very good. And I'm interested in some ideas about navigating in that level of disorientation. Navigating throughout chaos. Yes. Yes.

day. One question I have is while on the 13th floor. The 13th floor. An exercise we have recommended that many of you do. that many of you do. Take yourself to the 13th floor. Ooh, scary. Well, I feel like I've been on the 13th floor and have not left it. Oh, all right, very good. And I'm interested in some ideas about navigating in that level of disorientation. Navigating throughout chaos. Yes. Yes. Alright? Well, when you become chaos yourself, you will find paradoxically that you are automatically organized. When you become chaos, the fluid in which you swim, you will find that your course will be unerring. So if I'm experiencing the chaos around me... Then you are putting it outside yourself. If I experience the chaos as being me... Then it will not seem chaotic. You will understand it. Yes, you will understand it and will learn how to see it and relate to it in a manner that it will no longer be perceived as chaotic to you. Okay. So that involves being in a neutral space to some extent. to some extent. That is, to some degree, part of a process that you could utilize, yes. Yes, I can see that. Oh, why? I also had a dream where I saw, it was a tetrahedron on top and bottom. Yes. And I had imbued it before I went to sleep with a vision of a set of relationships at each point. Yes. And when I went to sleep, I dreamed that I saw the tetrahedron, or I'm not sure what that's actually called. that's actually called. You are saying a double terminated? A double terminated tetrahedron. Base to base? Yes. Not interpenetrating. No. Base to base. Yes. All right. I saw it lying on the ground and next to it was a liquid looked like honey. And there was also ants around it. And when I went over to pick it up, it was like I had to go through these things to pick it up. And when I went to pick it up, the ants got, they were big black ants and they got all over me. Which made me a little nervous. And then I went and I picked it up. Yes. And I just wondered if there was something. you could tell me. Why did they make you antsy? Well, they were kind of creepy and crawly. Creepy and crawly. And they were on me. Yes. So? And I didn't want them on me. Why? Why? Why? Oh, why? Why? Because it felt uncomfortable. It felt like they were violating my space. Why? Why? Why did it feel like a violation instead of an assistance? I think I was so noticing that their legs were like crawling on me. The sensation itself. The sensation. And the sensation of being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of them. The sensation of being overwhelmed. Yeah. It was a sensation. Oh, all right.

Why? Why? Why? Oh, why? Why? Because it felt uncomfortable. It felt like they were violating my space. Why? Why? Why did it feel like a violation instead of an assistance? I think I was so noticing that their legs were like crawling on me. The sensation itself. The sensation. And the sensation of being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of them. The sensation of being overwhelmed. Yeah. It was a sensation. Oh, all right. What do you think surrender feels like? Like that? Yes. It can. It doesn't have to, but it can. As long as there are still limitations on your definitions, it can feel like that. Nevertheless, they were an opportunity for you to surrender. You did pretty good. But since you still feel overwhelmed by it and it still feels a little creepy crawly, you still have some filtering on your willingness to totally surrender. surrender. So had I walked over and experienced the ants all over me and reached for the tetrahedron and enjoyed the whole concept, not been concerned? Then you would have perceived yourself as the honey. And you would have been overjoyed and full of gratitude to be supporting the ants by the total giving of yourself. You see? Yes. And out of that liquid would come the crystallization that is the tetrahedral structure as well. The seed. Do you follow this analogy? Yeah, I'm getting a sense of it because I think I was experiencing like some adversity to getting to it. Like I had to go through this mire in order to reach it. Yes, but you see you are the mire. You are the honey. I see that. And if you had become the honey, you would have had the relationship with the ants you needed to have and you would have automatically contained in a sense or been contained in the tetrahedral structure. Yeah. It was there to give you a sense of seeing whether or not you were still goal-oriented in the old-fashioned way. Uh-huh. Oh, excellent. Instead of becoming the event and thus knowing you automatically contain the goal, you were still looking at a little bit too linearly in the idea that you had to get through something to get to the goal. Right. Instead of being the event. the event which contains all the goals. That's surrender. A beautiful dream analogy. Thank you for your picturesque illustration. Oh, thank you, Bashar. And to you. You and then you. Number two, do you know who you are? All right, number one, good day. Good day, Bashar. That conversation with April reminded me a lot of the dreams I've had lately. All right. One. One, okay. Last night, I I had a dream that there was some being, some sort of male energy, reaching up into me and trying to do some kind of test on the baby, some kind of invasive test.

then you. Number two, do you know who you are? All right, number one, good day. Good day, Bashar. That conversation with April reminded me a lot of the dreams I've had lately. All right. One. One, okay. Last night, I I had a dream that there was some being, some sort of male energy, reaching up into me and trying to do some kind of test on the baby, some kind of invasive test. And I was looking down at my belly, and the baby kept scooting over from here and from there and, you know, getting away. And so I guess this is just an intense fear of mine. Which is what? that the baby is not safe. Yeah, and kind of, I really want to stay away from being invasive with a baby, and that was just total invasion. You want to stay away from being invasive yourself? Is that what you're saying? Oh. That is what you said. Yeah. I want to stay away from being invasive with the baby. Right. Is that what you meant to say? Yes, that is what I meant to say. Why do you feel you would be invasive? In what way do you feel? No. you would be invasive? Oh, I don't think I will be invasive. Then why did you say? I just don't, I'm not going to go through a lot of the medical tests that some women go through when they're pregnant. Yes, and so? And so in the dream, I was just sort of forced to experience it. All right. So you were forced to explore the idea of whether or not you're making that decision out of fear or out of knowingness. Right. You understand? That gives you the opportunity to balance this issue and go forward in a natural way, knowing that you're actually doing it in a natural way that your sensing is truly okay as opposed to not doing it because you are in fear of doing it, which is a very different scenario. Right. Do you understand the difference? I do, I do. Does this help you? Yeah, so I was just working that out in my dream. Okay. Yes. Yes. And you're being assisted in working that out. Yes. Great. Does that help you? That helps a lot. Thank you. Number two. Hi, Bashar. Hi, Bashar. And are you good day? Um, I think this relates to April's dream. Oh, all right. It... You are a little bit antsy, too. My own version, I think, yes. The last interaction we had, my main question had to do with well versus surrender. Yes. I didn't ask it, but as usually happens, I get it answered anyway. Oh, I thank you for your synchronicity. I got surrender all night long. All right. So. The dream I had, I was reading before I went to sleep about the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics.

little bit antsy, too. My own version, I think, yes. The last interaction we had, my main question had to do with well versus surrender. Yes. I didn't ask it, but as usually happens, I get it answered anyway. Oh, I thank you for your synchronicity. I got surrender all night long. All right. So. The dream I had, I was reading before I went to sleep about the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics. And in the dream, it was like that null point again. And I had the ability to heal myself and others by going to these different worlds and these different points. I could intuit where I needed to go. But I had to go through this process to get there. And it was... That process being? It was sort of my version of the answer. maybe. Oh, all right. It was terrifying to me. Because? Because... Because I thought it would be instantaneous. If I just focused on where I needed to go, it would be an instantaneous thing. And because it took a little time, you panicked. Yes. It took time and I could feel my consciousness dissolve. I could feel it was like this incredible, rapid move through these tunnels. And it was... Yeah. I could feel my consciousness dissolve. I didn't like it. Why not? Well, it sounds fine. I know. One moment. One moment. Let me ask it this way. Yeah. Who didn't like it? Oh, God. Well, I've learned a thing or two from the neutrals. Great. But there is a very specific reason for asking the question that way. Who didn't like it? What didn't like it? Well, it was that individualized portion of me that was still enough there during the dissolved? No, no, not just that it's individualized. Not that it's just individualized. What was the thing that was protesting? The mind. Because the mind thinks that the dissolution or the shift of consciousness equals death. Annihilation. It doesn't. not. No, it does not. It only equals expression in a different modality. I have. What do you think I'm doing right now? Perhaps it is simply a semantic difficulty here. The idea is that true mind death would be accompanied also by your physical death. But if you're not physically dying, then your mind is not really dying. It's just shifting gears. It's just shifting modalities of expression. But it has only been taught to think of that kind of a shift as a true death. But it's not. And this is essentially what surrender is about. Your mind is definitely being passed through the eye of the needle, through the all that is in the shift. And in that sense it equates it to the experience of death. But the idea is that for the mind's interpretation of death, being annihilation is equivalent to non-existence and that can't happen. It is impossible for the mind to actually not exist. Do you understand? Mm-hmm.

And this is essentially what surrender is about. Your mind is definitely being passed through the eye of the needle, through the all that is in the shift. And in that sense it equates it to the experience of death. But the idea is that for the mind's interpretation of death, being annihilation is equivalent to non-existence and that can't happen. It is impossible for the mind to actually not exist. Do you understand? Mm-hmm. But the mind can experience a kind of momentary suspension it equates to actually to actual non-existence. But it's not. That's what the mind has to understand. It's just the neutral place through which the mind must pass in order to come out the other side as a new mind, as a different mind. And the mind has to learn not to mind it. And I'm not just being clever when I put it that way. The mind has to learn not to mind it. Right, right. That's the trick. That's what you have to train it to do. To not mind. Does that make sense to you? It does. What I wanted to sort of expand and relate this to is that during this dream was very powerful and it's just been in my consciousness sense. One moment. Perhaps a little bit of a difference of inflection on the way we said that would also help illuminate what is. actually being said since we understand that sometimes there can be difficulty with language interpretation the mind has to not mind not mind not mind is a state of mind not mind is not mind not but that is not really no mind it is not mind it is not mind it is not mind but it is not mind one of the states mind can experience. Not mind is the mind's gestalt. But it doesn't mean there is really no mind in the sense that it doesn't exist, but it is a state of mind called not mind. It might be akin to witness in a sense, but in some senses it is even less than that. It is the mind's version of knowingness. Even the mind has its own version of knowingness. Even the mind has its own version. of simple, absolute knowingness. And that is not mind, but it is still in the legion of mind. But it has to understand that that is a state of mind and not a true annihilation in terms of non-existence. Does that help? Yes, yes, yes, yes. All right. I'm assuming that this relates. When, for the several days after that, I was going through the thing about trying to work through this dream, but also the disparity between the the state of these healings in the dream and my waking consciousness in which I've been sicker than I've been, and I don't remember how long. Oh, all right, are you sick now still? Up until about two hours ago. Oh, all right? Yeah.

I'm assuming that this relates. When, for the several days after that, I was going through the thing about trying to work through this dream, but also the disparity between the the state of these healings in the dream and my waking consciousness in which I've been sicker than I've been, and I don't remember how long. Oh, all right, are you sick now still? Up until about two hours ago. Oh, all right? Yeah. And now, how do you feel? Better. Better? Yeah. I always feel better when I'm here. Oh, I see. Then why don't you stay? I don't get how to stay. You don't get how to stay? Of course you get how to stay. How did you create this? this interaction to begin with. Aren't you creating this interaction right now? But now with my conscious mind. Oh, yes you are. Well, if I were consciously aware of how I was... What are you saying that we're having this conversation while you're asleep? Yeah. If I were sufficiently consciously, sufficiently aware of how we were able to create this interaction, I would be able to maintain it so that there was no cessation. Well, no, you see, you think you have to maintain it, and so you cannot continue to create it. It's not about maintaining it. It's just about choosing it. It's about choosing to be the state when you want to be. Why can you not be this state anytime you want? You know why? You know why? No. Because you create other times to be other times. Right, okay. Okay. other times when I choose to be this, and it doesn't happen, is it because my mind is doing this split and saying, oh, well, I'm in this other state and I'm choosing this. It's because you are going to your definitions and relying on your definitions and choosing your definitions that are the definitions that do not allow you to experience this state. Why? What do you get out of doing that? If this is what you prefer, if this state is what you prefer, why don't you continue to choose this state? But see, I truly don't get why I... But you are able to make that choice. So then there must be... It's not that you're not able to make that choice, it's that you're choosing something else. So I think I'm choosing one thing, but because I'm getting some, some payoff somewhere, I'm making another choice. Yes. Look at your definition. It may not be very complicated at all. What is it about right now that you make so difficult? different from these so-called other times? Vibrationalally, it feels different. Why? It feels more alive. It feels more... Yes. It feels better. Why? Why? Why don't those times feel like this time? Why aren't those times this time? Because for some reason I'm choosing not to be my full self at those other times. Why?

definition. It may not be very complicated at all. What is it about right now that you make so difficult? different from these so-called other times? Vibrationalally, it feels different. Why? It feels more alive. It feels more... Yes. It feels better. Why? Why? Why don't those times feel like this time? Why aren't those times this time? Because for some reason I'm choosing not to be my full self at those other times. Why? It's a very good question. Thank you. May I... May I give you one idea or one perspective? Please. Maybe in the most positive way it can possibly be meant, it actually serves you to be the way you are in those times. Maybe you actually really do want and need to be not the way you are now in those times. Maybe being that way in those times, making those times be different. Maybe that really is in the overall picture of your life, what really serves you? What is? answer? What if it's not really that you are actually wanting, really, truly, wanting to be this way in those times because you know there is something that you're getting out of those times being that way and you don't want to change it and that it's appropriate that you don't. What about that? That's so antithetical to everything I feel in my body, everything I think in my brain. It doesn't make any sense at all. I see. I see. deep. Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that there is such a thing as an interruption in your joy instead of what you feel being a part of your joy, no matter how it feels. Is that what you're saying? My mind's totally out on me here. Well, that might be a good thing. That might be what we're after. I have no idea what you just said. All right. We'll go over it again. You don't have to apologize unless it gives you joy to do so. Do you want me to say I forgive you? Yeah. I forgive you. Thank you. You feel better now? Yeah. Oh, all right. Thank you. Now the question is, can you forgive yourself? Yes. Can you forgive yourself for letting it be all right to feel one way, one time, and another way, another time? Is that okay? Why not? You see, there is, I'll put it in your terms, your problem. When it's not okay to not be a problem. to not be okay, you can't be okay. When it's not okay, to be not okay, you cannot be okay. Until you're okay with not being okay, you can't allow the not okay to become the okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. You are focusing too much on the idea that you have to change the moment in the change the moment into something it is not. And that's what gets you into trouble.

problem. to not be okay, you can't be okay. When it's not okay, to be not okay, you cannot be okay. Until you're okay with not being okay, you can't allow the not okay to become the okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. You are focusing too much on the idea that you have to change the moment in the change the moment into something it is not. And that's what gets you into trouble. You have to allow the moment to be fully what it is before it can become some other experience of the same moment. You have to give it its due and you have to allow it to be valid. Whatever it is, you are experiencing that moment as. Or it simply cannot become anything else other than that until you pay attention to that's what it needs to be. At that moment. that moment. You have to be okay with your not okayness in order for you to really allow yourself ultimately finally to be okay all the time. And that is what will ultimately leak into your entire life so that you will always only feel okay. But it starts by being okay with when you're not okay. So that you can get out of the not okay what you need to get out of it. Okay. Well, that's one word, I suppose, but you don't even have to go that far. It can simply be one moment when you feel this or feel that and somehow to you for some reason you are defining that experience as not your ideal state. But if you understand that whatever it is you're experiencing is okay, then you can allow it to become part of the integration of your whole self that will ultimately allow you to let that become also and support also your ability to be the ideal state whenever you choose. That's the paradox. It doesn't even have to be really as deep as the shadow or the opposite. It can be anything at all. That is even slightly off of what you define as some idealized idea of yourself. But it doesn't matter still. If you keep defining it as less than equal to the idealized self, then you remain firmly fixed in that energy and do not allow it to help you be the vibration of what you deem to be ideal. That's the paradox you're dealing with. Does this make some sense to you? Yes and no. Thank you. One moment. When you go to sleep this night, ask for understanding, ask for understanding, ask, ask, Ask for assistance from a very particular friend. Alright? Just get a sense of what that means that you would have a particular friend who has the ability to help you in your understanding of this concept as we are discussing it. Now, that's all you need to know, that's all you need to key into is that you have a particular friend.

to sleep this night, ask for understanding, ask for understanding, ask, ask, Ask for assistance from a very particular friend. Alright? Just get a sense of what that means that you would have a particular friend who has the ability to help you in your understanding of this concept as we are discussing it. Now, that's all you need to know, that's all you need to key into is that you have a particular friend. You can say special friend if you want. A special friend if you want, a special friend whose particular forte is to help you in your understanding of this particular idea you are going through right now. Ask for the assistance of that particular friend and then let go. Let go. Will you do that? Of course. Oh, you don't have a little. Yes, I want to, absolutely. All right. Will you do it without expectation? Boy, I could say yes, but... If you do it with expectation, your special friend can't help you. If you do it with no expectation, your special friend can help you. That is the dilemma for most of you. Is the idea that you get into your own self-created, vicious cycle? All right. I'll have no expectation so that my friend can help me. No expectation is no expectation. You put out your request in gratitude to your special friend, knowing your special friend will help. Beyond a shadow of a doubt will help. Then you flatline it. Zero it. Let it go. Forget about it. Go to sleep. Don't think about it anymore. It's gone. Never was there. Let it go. That's the only way the special friend can help. But if you do that so that the special friend can help, special friend can help. That's the paradox. That's the balance point that is required. And that balance point is the state you say you want to create every moment. This will help you do it if you'll do that. All right. All right. Yes. If there's a situation that is not okay with you and you go, okay, this is not okay, and you make another choice that is okay, are you not accepting the not okay situation or you're saying okay, then not a... What we are saying is that if you understand that every situation has to do with whatever it is you are at that moment, that it is the result and combination and totally the result. reflection of whatever you are at that moment. We understand that you can have an empirical perception of it as being perhaps non-preferential, but it still must be okay that it exists. It's not preferred, but it's fine that it exists. It's just not your preference. So you will make another choice so that situation does not exist. But you don't make another choice without understanding why it's there to begin with.

totally the result. reflection of whatever you are at that moment. We understand that you can have an empirical perception of it as being perhaps non-preferential, but it still must be okay that it exists. It's not preferred, but it's fine that it exists. It's just not your preference. So you will make another choice so that situation does not exist. But you don't make another choice without understanding why it's there to begin with. If you make a choice without understanding that, you really are not making an informed choice. You're just avoiding. You know it's there because that's the vibration that you're at at that time. Yes, but why? Why are you at that vibration? Yes, that's the question. Because you're focusing on what you don't want instead of what you do want. Maybe. Shall I give an example of a situation? If you wish. My neighborhood is very... Except remember that what you get is what you want. Uh-huh. There is no such thing really as focusing on what you don't want. You never do that. Okay, I get it. What you're saying is that you have defined this thing you are focusing on as what you want, even if it turns out to be destructive. I understand. Does that help clear it up? That helps, but I still have another question on that. Yeah. The neighborhood that I live in is getting intensely noisy. Intensely noisy. So I've got this fan that I put on white noise. It's a block. the noise out. So you are fighting noise with noise? Yes. I guess I'm doing that. And in the meantime I am working, I'm changing my vibration so I will not be attracting a noisy situation so then I can move somewhere and vibrate and then attract a quiet situation. Or perhaps? There are any number of other things that perhaps you could do. Are you waiting for me to say such as? Well, if you want to or I can... In what way? Is it, in your terms, noisy? You've heard it before. The dogs go on and on and on and on. Yes. And any communication taken place between you and the owners of the animal? It's just infested with them. Infested. Has any communication taken place between you and the owners of the animal? Yes. And to what result? They say, well, I'm sorry. This is how we want to live. One of the neighbors even went to court. Another one writes me now. writes me nasty notes. Because? Because they don't care if their dogs are barking. They say no one else is complaining. But their other neighbors are upset about it. All right. Then, without being judgmental, can you not be a little bit more organizational? So that they can understand the consequences of their choices? I started doing that and I got people involved and then all of a sudden I started getting really nasty letters in the mail.

notes. Because? Because they don't care if their dogs are barking. They say no one else is complaining. But their other neighbors are upset about it. All right. Then, without being judgmental, can you not be a little bit more organizational? So that they can understand the consequences of their choices? I started doing that and I got people involved and then all of a sudden I started getting really nasty letters in the mail. letters in the mail. So? So. So. Okay. Did that stop you? I guess it stopped me. Why? Did that surprise you? Did that surprise you? I guess it did, yes. Why? I guess I just didn't want to be pushing against the problem. I thought... Well, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are. Mm-hmm. Why did getting what you call nasty letters stop you? What were you afraid? What were you afraid of? I guess I was thinking maybe I'm the one that's wrong and I know I'm not because I'm not the only one that feels that way. Well, then why did you stop? You can still do this in a very loving, straightforward manner. But remember, the idea of unconditional love does not mean that you lie down and let someone run over you. I agree. They're also built doing construction next door to me on one side, next door on the other side. Well, that's a different story. But it's still noise. Yes. Well, you have to look at all sides and all angles of this issue, because there may be many different things going on within your belief system structure that attracts a similar idea, but even though they may all be similar in their effect, they may all be being attracted for many different kinds of reasons. And you may have to deal with each of them on their own terms within yourself as to why they all turn out to be something similar. It may be deceiving you. into thinking, just because it all has to do with noise. It may be deceiving you into thinking, it's all related to the same belief system within you. It may not be. They may be representative of many different kinds of angles of beliefs within you. Can you assist me with that? I've been working in the... I just did. Start with one and take it further. Do it with integrity, clarity, clarity, steadfastness, with your sense of your identity intact, and allow yourself to up. understand and always double check to make sure in your own terms you are doing the right thing, so to speak, the integrated thing, that you're not in any way shape of reform really being judgmental, that you're not being vicious or malicious in that sense, but that you are standing up for the idea of what you believe is balanced and fair and proceed as best you can and do not be dissuaded. Learn to communicate in more ways than you do.

in your own terms you are doing the right thing, so to speak, the integrated thing, that you're not in any way shape of reform really being judgmental, that you're not being vicious or malicious in that sense, but that you are standing up for the idea of what you believe is balanced and fair and proceed as best you can and do not be dissuaded. Learn to communicate in more ways than you do. That's part of what this exercise is all about for you to learn true communication. And so that you can also allow other individuals to experience, to give them the opportunity to experience the consequences of their choices. End of discussion. Thank you. At this timing, we will extend once again to each and every one of you. Our deepest appreciation in allowing this transmission, this link, this bridge to have been formed And we thank each and every one of you for your willingness and your boldness to function as representative of your world this day of your time. We will let you know when the neutrals have reached a decision. Until then, our unconditional love to all of you, and we thank you and good day. How did it go? Thank you. Thank you for coming tonight and look forward to seeing you again. Have a good week, please.